no more xbl2 for ascendant

crzystng · Post by **crzystng** » Wed May 04, 2005 1:03 am

http://www.ascendantaudio.com/
:excited:

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Wed May 04, 2005 3:02 am

..:: Pricing ::..

The price for the remaining subwoofers will be as follows:

Atlas 12 - $145 $100 Reduced

Atlas 15 - $160 $105 Reduced

Avalanche 12 - $280 $200 Reduced

Avalanche 15 - $299 $225 Reduced

Avalanche 18 - $399 $275 Reduced

Lookt at them prices

William from NOLA · Post by **William from NOLA** » Wed May 04, 2005 7:09 am

I think they just wanted to stop paying royalties. I guess they made that speech to make them sound "better"?

Justin from Detroit1 · Wed May 04, 2005 7:26 am

Wow, that is a total bullshit thing for Dan Wiggins to say. If they are licensing it out to companies, why would he say that not all XBL^2 motors are the same? I would feel uncomfortable using it, too. Good job Ascendant, you made the right choice.

Honestly, don't be surprised if you see a lot of companies using the XBL^2 motor back out soon. I think some more testing has been done on this motor and the results haven't been very good.... the XBL^2 motor may be gone soon.

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Wed May 04, 2005 7:26 am

If Dan said what they claim he did then I cant blame them.

If he can very the level of the XBL technology to benefit his company and not thoose licensing it from him thats wrong. Especially when these people are the ones that appear to be supplementing his income since they are in the middle of a changeover...

But at any rate.... Look at the prices on these subs...

Fishy · Post by **Fishy** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:21 am

Wow, I was looking forward to hearing some comments on the Avalanche 12. It seems its been discontinued before even being released. There are still no specs on Ascendant's site for that driver.

Lol, peeps have been pushing Ascendant stuff hard on the ecoustics forum and a few others. All hype? or will there be a mad scramble to pick up one of these drivers cheap.

crazy

-Fishy

Post by **GlassWolf** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:33 am

misinterpreted. I understand what Dan meant and he's totally correct.
Just because two subs use XBL^2, doesn't mean they are equal or identical.
An Atlas isn't going to be identical to a XXX just because both use XBL^2 motor designs, and that was his point. He was probably getting a lot of questions from idiots about why anybody would spend $500 for a Brahma when they can get an Atlas for $150. His point was that motor topology != identical speakers.

kevinberry1 · Post by **kevinberry1** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:44 am

That is what I gathered from the article as well after reading it this morning. It likely just serves as an excuse for AA to get out of paying the royalties as well as getting some publicity.

Fishy · Post by **Fishy** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:22 am

Isn't Ascendant using Adire's old manufacturing facility and some of the same parts as well? The Atlas 12 I looked at(on site) seemed to have a Brahma frame and a Koda motor. Of course The XXX looks to have a Brahma frame as well.

http://www.ascendantaudio.com/archive/Atlas-12-rear.gif

I can't find any pics on Adire's site anymore, but here's a XXX

http://www.reaudio.com/html/images/xxx_sub.gif

Except for the piece between the frame and motor they look pretty identical don't they?

-Fishy

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:31 am

The parts such as the basket are just asian sourced cast aluminum- nothing special.

I bet every part on all these drivers are off the shelf parts except for:
XXX ferrous motor structure
Voice Coil(s)