Raptor Wiring

Scarrell · Post by **Scarrell** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:09 pm

check out Amp King.. their wire isnt bad.. i have some of their 2 gauge, but i havent compared it to any other wiring.. i have some Raptor wire but it doesnt look anything like that, its red..

cargodz · Post by **cargodz** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:35 pm

Ryan from Ohio wrote: Now Im not slating Mike or saying he is a liar. I know better. Its my belief the information provided to him is false. Whether this is from the Distributor, manufacturer or some other 3rd party source...

You'd be correct in the assumption of it coming from the manufacturer...
Hit me up some time next week and I'll get ya some Audiopipe 4 ga. or similiar for replacement... I think there is a good possibilty that Metra's Raptor line is going cheaper and I think I'm going to have to quit using them myself... The 0/1 in the Buick was the first time I used the 0/1, but I had used the 4 ga. last year on a few installs and it was larger then and seems to now be going the route of the 0/1 and getting smaller, but Metra isn't changing the info on the Raptor line for some reason... - 10 in my book for Raptor

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:03 am

Bwcad1 wrote:how many times have you said you get what you pay for? we even showed you the raptor in the Buick lol. its not false advertising the jacket is thick enough to be considered 4awg yes that maybe misleading but its not false.

Hahah, I didnt pay for it! Honestly Im not even sure what the kit runs! Im assuming about 30ish?

I wasnt sure if that was Raptor or something else in the buick, but I do remember the wire, lol :)

Im not 100% sure, but I believe the wire rating is done by the amount of current the wire can carry. Not the outside diameter of the insulator. I find it hard to believe the Raptor wire could carry the same current as the IXOS, or the standard current of 4 Ga rated...

Bwcad1 · Post by **Bwcad1** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:05 am

next time ill show you some hooker 1/0. that will knock your socks off.

remember your not pulling 300 amps continuously. maybe at most for a brief second. so they can get away with it.

solacedagony · Post by **solacedagony** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:31 am

Here's an interesting gauge to inches converter. :)
http://www.onlineconversion.com/gauge_wire.htm

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:21 am

Im pretty sure that calculator is setup for solid conductor.

When you go with stranded it takes more to carry the same current

It may Bill. Even though, the Raptor isnt 4 Ga, no way.

solacedagony · Post by **solacedagony** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:08 am

[quote="Ryan from Ohio"]Im pretty sure that calculator is setup for solid conductor.

When you go with stranded it takes more to carry the same current ]
But gauge isn't a measurement of current capacity, it's a measurement of diameter, isn't it?

breakjunki · Post by **breakjunki** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:22 am

I thouht it was a diameter measurement.. I know smalller = bigger. For example, piercing jewelery, the gauges for those pretty much correspond to a standard gauge 4 gauge= a certain diameter. they have a little gauge wheel, that I've also seen shops use for wiring.. But I guess in raptor case it is 4 gauge, the outside diameter, not the wire gauge, which is pretty shady...

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:43 am

solacedagony wrote:But gauge isn't a measurement of current capacity, it's a measurement of diameter, isn't it?

Youre right. But it isnt determined on the insulator, but the conductor. Furthermore, when you deal with stranded wire, the diameter has to be larger to make up for the difference between it and solid.

But the issue lies in current capacity.

All 4 Ga is supposed to be able to carry 150 Amps. 8 Ga is 100 Amps.

Now if this raptor is more of an 8 Ga, then it wont carry the 150 Amps...

http://www.the12volt.com/info/recwirsz.asp

Here is a table, took a bit to find. You will see as the strand diameter decreases, the diameter of all the strands together increases...

http://www.brimelectronics.com/AWGchart.HTM

solacedagony · Post by **solacedagony** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:58 am

Ryan from Ohio wrote:Youre right. But it isnt determined on the insulator, but the conductor. Furthermore, when you deal with stranded wire, the diameter has to be larger to make up for the difference between it and solid.
But the issue lies in current capacity.
All 4 Ga is supposed to be able to carry 150 Amps. 8 Ga is 100 Amps.
Now if this raptor is more of an 8 Ga, then it wont carry the 150 Amps...
http://www.the12volt.com/info/recwirsz.asp
Here is a table, took a bit to find. You will see as the strand diameter decreases, the diameter of all the strands together increases...
http://www.brimelectronics.com/AWGchart.HTM

Absolutely, insulation can't conduct electricity. :)

What does CMA on the chart stand for?