Really Pissed

[veggie-man]

If jobs like these were left up to us normal americans you would see product prices quadruple or more.

Well that’s not necessarily true(for at least farming). As it is right now, farmers in America can barley compete with the farmers from Canada. When farmers in the US have a bad year, we buy produce from Canada. If we didn’t have cheap labor (immigrant labor), the farms in the US would crumble to Canadian farmers. The prices of food really wouldn’t go up all that much, but we would lose capital.

All I'm concerned about is 2060. 2060 is the year of the minority majority. As far as the way minorities in our population go, it's hypothesized (it's pretty much inevitable) that by the year 2060, the white Americans will be outnumbered by the minorities in America.

I really don’t get why your concerned. Can someone explain? i really dont see any problem at all with this.

[Team AI]

I say if you want to come to America to work and live go through the proper channels and become a citizen. If you are an american citizen then you really don't have anything to bitch about because then we are all in it together. If you are illegal that's what I consider a minority... there are only two Americans and everyone else... wake up kids the whole thing is a bullshit whiny ass cry-baby heap of doggie poo no two ways about it and anyone who didn't go to work over some bullshit deserves to lose there job period no discussion that was my companies policy and I agreed 100%.

[veggie-man]

That would be fine if coming here legally wasn’t so hard. To be honest, coming here legally is so hard its nearly impossible. Some of the guys I work with have been here for over 20 years, yet still cant get their papers. And remember for most, its either let my family live in poverty or go to America to work… if I get deported, I’ll just turn right back around and walk across. (obviously not that easy considering they have to walk across a dessert)

[Team AI]

That's all well and good but my sister-in-law recently married a guy that was illegal and they got married in Mexico so he could become a legal citizen and though he barely saw his wife for the first year of their marrage and his living conditions sucked more than most of you can imagine he did it and I applaud him for it... Is he super human, is he a freak of nature? No he is someone who wanted it bad enough he did it and he will tell you to this day that although that could have been the worst year of his life it was worth every bit of it for him to be able to say that he is a legal citizen and can move freely without the worry of being departed. To say it's too hard is sell out horsepoo and that's a fact... It being to hard is just like me saying it's too hard for me to save money for a new JVC AVX2 so that makes it ok to go and steel Justin's... I know my family is starving and all like that but seems to me that would add a little more drive behind your ass to get out and get it done period no excuses. To come here illegally and expect the American public to kiss your ass that's just stupid, Secondly I have met quite a few illegals who work, spend all of there money on themselves don't send shit to their wife and kids back in mexico and usually have a couple of girlfriends and kids in the states so I don't want to hear any bullshit exuses do it right and that's the only way.

[veggie-man]

Ok, that was extremely difficult to read so I hope understood everything correctly.

One of the ways to get to this country here legally is to marry someone from America. But there is no way that you expect that many people to marry. The number of people allowed to immigrate to America per year is up to 55,000 a year per nation.

While family members of U.S. citizens remained the largest category of immigrants, the act established a separate annual quota of 140,000 for immigrants with job skills needed in the United States. Responding to pressure from various lobby groups, the 1990 act granted annual quotas of 40,000 to 55,000 to countries that had sent few immigrants in recent years.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761 ... ation.html

i really dont think that Mexico sent "few immigrants in recent years" and in that case the quota goes down to 20,000 a year. That number includes people who marry to come here.

Even if the number was 55,000 immigrants a year and we filled the quota of 140,000 immigrants with job skills and there were 12 million immigrants it would take 61 years to guarantee that you were able to come here legally. Again it is very difficult to come here legally.

[Team AI]

I don't argue that it's very difficult but I personally know at least 25 people who did it. Therefore it's not impossible and to say ahh it's to hard so I'll do it illegaly is a cop out.

I am not saying it's right or it's fair I'm just saying that if you want it bad enough it will happen but it's not walmart and it's not Burger King. Like I said it's hard isn't an excuse it's laziness and that's how it is. Not only is illegal immagration lazy but it does affect people that have nothing to do with it.
Take my father-in-law for instance he became a legal citizen a little over 35 years ago and since has had his identity stolen approx. 5-6 times. This has affected his credit mainly and has cost him a lot of money, and time to get it straightened out but I guess it's ok to screw up his credit, and his reputation because it's hard to become a citizen.

[veggie-man]

There’s no way you can say immigrating here is lazy. They risk their life coming across the boarder. Immigrants armed solely with a few jugs of water, die because of dehydration every day trying to walk across the dessert or using a coyote that leaves them to die. If the boarder patrol catches them, they turn around and try again risking their life. i think that before they left they thought to try to come here legally. its simply extremely hard.

[Team AI]

well that's just stupidity then I mean honestly how are you going to feed your family when your laying dead in the middle of the desert and there are other ways to cross the border. I understand the point you are trying to make and I do agree that it's very difficult to become a citizen. I'm pretty much done arguing about this because honestly we could go round and round for the rest of our lives and not get anywhere. I think we are both pretty one sided on the topic and that's the one of the great things about this country so I'm going to put it behind me and move on.

[Mithrandir]

What ive seen throughout the thread is people always saying that americans wont do the job for a low wage, well maybe it people were payed correctly, instead of getting minimum wage for doing hard jobs. Its rediculous, im makin 6 bucks an hour changing and delivering tires. Is it a hard job not really, am I pretty happy with 6 bucks an hour for the first year, yeah. But i have to change big rig tires, and car tires outside, in the snow in wintertime. Sorry but i feel being out in harsh conditions entitles me to a little more than 6 bucks an hour (which I hopefully will be getting) 5.15 is minimum wage here in pa and it will be 6.15 in july which will mean ill be making below minimum (dunno if they have to automatically raise me or what) and then in another year it will be 7.15 so even if im making 8 an hour it will be barely over minimum wage for working outside in freezing snow and rain, i mean it kinda sucks when you think hey i could be at mc donalds and only making a little less.

lol but oh well personally let them fix the taxes and gas prices and ill be pretty happy, but run ins with mexicans and cubins have been bad, any that ive known were rapists so yea

so are they actually going to seal the border? i think we should get a few thosuand people together and illegally imigrate to mexico.

Why would we wanna imigrate to mexico?

[ridr4lif]

Why would we wanna imigrate to mexico?

B/c all of the mexicans are in the states. If we go there WE will be the dominant race