Mexico's new law...some may like

High Society · Post by **High Society** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:59 pm

New law will allow to possess, marijuna, cocaine, heroin, and ecstasy...What do you think of it?
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JeremyC · Post by **JeremyC** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:26 pm

Yeah I saw that a few minites ago. Not sure what I think about it yet. Give me a day to think about it, and I should have a better idea.

joeyc · Post by **joeyc** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:04 pm

hmmmm, well about 4 or 5 years ago, i would have said "cool, lets go to mexico!" but now i'm not an advocate of drugs like i used to be. I think what they do in europe is there business, but when its this close to us, it poses a problem. maybe not...

_gonz_ · Post by **_gonz_** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:55 am

Hopefully Canada will follow suit. They've really been pushing to legalize pot, and last I heard, did successfully decriminalize it. Doesn't mean it's legal, just not really prosecuted. It would be nice if both neighboring countries went full-bore legal. It would put alot of pressure on the US which is sorely needed.

Theres no problems or worries with pot. It's a non-issue and should never have been made illegal to start with. I don't smoke it, but I know it's history, and plenty about drugs overall.

Heroin is a bit of a problem. It doesn't have to be, in my estimation, but people are too stupid to use anything responsibly, even food. That brings up coke, as it's another issue of personal responsibility. I believe these drugs have medicinal value, and with very careful use, even a recreational value... but people are just not capable of controlling themselves... it's like having one beer versus getting utterly shitfaced.

Ecstasy concerns me most, because you don't know what it's made with. I can not advocate the vast majority of synthetic drugs. That includes things like Rittalin and Wellbutrin, etc...

In any case...
I believe our bodies are something that WE are responsible for, not the government. I'd like the nannies to get off our backs. I'd like to see all drugs become legal, and subject to regulation... so that they ultimately become safer. So that ultimately our streets become safer, without drug wars and street gangs shooting it out over turf.

You may say "what about junkies on the streets instead!" well, the truth is, junkies and crackheads just want more heroin and crack. Legalize the shit, give them "opium dens" and give it away w/clean needles. Now the junkies have a place to go and be happy... they won't bother you. Believe it or not, they really want nothing to do with people.

Look... we have methadone programs now. And needle exchanges. Nothing really changes, and thats the truth. If anything, the situation gets better... because you won't have to rob or steal to get dope. You could go to safe houses to use it. You won't be put on synthetic substitutes far more dangerous than heroin itself... as a means of treatment. Legalization can pave the way for REAL treatment of addicts, leading to a better country overall.

It's a social issue. Therefore it must be addressed and handled as a social issue, not as a criminal one.

The problem with legalization here is basically two- fold.
1. You have generations of people fed nothing but BS propaganda - "This is your brain on drugs."
2. You have an entire industry built for the sole purpose, and supported by, "the war on drugs". Which hasn't even come close to being effective, sucked up major amounts of tax revenue... BUT... provides lots of jobs!

If you can get around those two factors... then you've got your complete legalization in the United States.

If you really take the time to look at this situation, both historically, and currently... meaning the "war on drugs" and why such drugs are illegal in the first place... you'll likely realize it's a case of corruption, corporate greed, monopolies, politics, etc... even racism lies at the very root cause. Panic over what back then they called "Crazed Negros" and also Mexicans, is what fuelled the push for prohibition.

To understand that statement, and perspective, I'll explain briefly... "Americans" were bigoted towards blacks and hispanics, we all know that obviously. Well, blacks brought the marijuana smoking traditions from Jamaica, and Mexicans brought coca traditions from S. America. I guess these were strange concepts here at one time. In any case, these practices caught on and gained popularity... and ultimately was used as fuel in the racial issues of the day. In the sense that, when minorities consumed these drugs, they'd rape, murder, and pillage... in some sort of drug induced frenzy. Hence the coined term "Crazed Negros". The term "Saturday Night Special" was also coined at that time. I'm betting most people didn't know it's a racially inspired term, eh?

Meanwhile, DuPont wanted to replace hemp with nylon and make millions... thus began the payoffs, common practice of the day. Pot is still illegal, and nylon still sells, with DuPont still making millions.

I'm amazed by it all, really... and whats worse is that it's still allowed to continue. IMHO enough is enough... and while we're at it, I'd also like to know who killed JFk, but I digress.

Darthness · Post by **Darthness** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:35 am

i didn't read all that... but i don't smoke pot (nor have i ever/will i).. but the legalization doesn't bother me as long as its got the same restrictions as ciggaretts.. despite the lovely smell of weed, i don't want people lighting up all over the place. the "war on drugs" ads are crap, i agree with that as well.. 99% ineffective. If anythign heavier then weed was legalized, i'd have to say i'm leaving the country. Have you ever seen a crack head? tell me that the "this is your brain on drugs" shit does apply to someone who's had a crack addiction. Whether they've "recovered" or still on them, they are still fucked up in the head. my sister used to be a good student... she started doing drugs, dropped out, and now she's basically hit rock bottom.same thign with my mom and my aunt. one of my old bosses and some of my coworkers. Legalize crack, coke and other simular drugs... you'll have huge problems. you'll have 12 year olds walking around snorting lines between classes. smoking rocks before class even....thats the type of shit that'll happen, and don't say it won't. tons of kids drink and smoke ciggarates under age, you can't possibly think that they won't be able to get legalized drugs. (if its legal, it must not be bad for you!<that'll be the mindframe, until its destoryed by a crack addiction)

i just rad some more of your post, pardon the weird structure of mine :P But seriously, ALL drugs legal? anything past weed is jst asking to destroy the country... junkies/crack heads will STILL be poor and will go crazier trying to get a few rocks after the government taxes it. And legalizing drugs will NOT help with crime. People sell drugs right now for money to live on. if the government takes those drugs and puts them in stores, then those people will have to start finding other ways to get money... so then you see a spike in robberys, jackings, breakins, etc.

joeyc · Post by **joeyc** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:14 am

herehere darth!!

Justin from Detroit1 · Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:18 am

OK I can understand the marijuana, but the others blow my mind. Ecstasy is a filthy drug that has the potential to kill with yourfirst hit, heroin is the most addictive drug out out, and cocaine fucks you up something bad, too. They should make small amounts of marijuana not illegal, but damn the rest of that stuff.

But then again, I do understand their reasoningbehindit, somewhat. Go after the dealers, not theusers who are sometimes just the sufferers of addiction.

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:24 am

Its illegal for a reason, end of story.

While many people talk about pot being ok or whatever its truly not.

I would comment more but due to other situation I can not.

JeremyC · Post by **JeremyC** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:54 am

Actually Justin, crank is brobably the dirtiest drug out there. Its made in bath tubs, how much dirtier can you get. Yes you can die from one pill of X, but that can happen with about any drug. Most people that die from x aren't killed from the x it self. Its normally the other things they are on, or from dehidration.

I agree with about everyone on here. Pot is ok, but when you open up everything else you really start asking for problems.

In amsterdam pot, and shrooms are legal, and x is pretty close. But that leaves crank, coke, herion, and the others. If we had to leagalize more than one. We should follow that trend. Especially to start off. If we were to leagalize all of it, I am afraid we would end up with a broken damn effect, that would take a while to slow down.

Post by **GlassWolf** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:08 am

the pro-side is by legalizing any drug, the government can then control the quality and production of said substance, which makes it safer in a sense. They can also tax the sale of it, too.
The drawback is I really don't want to be on the road with people who are driving stoned, and while it's bad enough that I have to put up with other peoples' cigarette smoke, if I have to put up with some stoner on a bus smoking a joint, only one of us is walking off that bus alive.