More e-drama...

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:32 pm

http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/showt ... e=10&pp=15

This one I'm having fun reading, particularly this one:

Originally Posted by Feandil

look on the net to find our BL curve from Klippel... 18mm one way of flat BL

Originally Posted by Dan Wiggins

You mean this curve:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a4...dio/OmegaBL.jpg

I call that a lie. Pure and simple. If you had an understanding of how Klippel works, you would have at least faked up the data to NOT include the sharp breaks in the curve back around -17, -20, and -22mm.

Oh, and I had a wonderful 2 hour talk with Wolfgang (Dr. Wolfgang Klippel, if you must know) about the way his system handles measurements when the BL and Cms don't line up. You know, where you claim at 22mm the surround comes to a screeching halt?

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/...showtopic=5336#

A Klippel system cannot measure beyond that point, nor will it fit data well less than that. Especially if there isn't enough data beyond the curve.

So yeah, I'm out-and-out calling your data completely fabricated and a lie. That's not a Klippel curve. You can't get a curve that shape out of the Klippel, and that's based upon what Wolfgang himself would say. I think you made it up.

How's that for direct?

While I'm not a Klippel expert, I have heard this before. But after seeing the numerous posts where Feandil (aka Matthew Rich, President, Ology Audio LLC) is getting completely schooled, I'm saying Dan is right on this one.

Burn, Baby, BURN!!!a

MobileAudio219 · Post by **MobileAudio219** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:38 pm

oh no he didnt...

mikechec9 · Post by **mikechec9** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:37 am

My goodness. The testicular jockeys on that thread..

I think dan carries five of them in his pants daily. Regardless I agree

Those Ology cats rubbed me wrong in their first thread I read. And Feandil did get his hat handed to him (forced down his throat).
My .02 on the Brahma: Very detailed and accurate under 60 Hz. While my range of auditions doesn't meet that of others on the forum (Jonathan), it would be difficult for me to imagine a more detailed driver. The bad is that any sub with such wide acclaim should not have such a relatively high failure rate due to parts. Needless to say, I JUST got mine back from a recone that originated over 6months ago. Conveniently long enough for adire to forget that it was a warranty issue. 250.00 snatched from my account. Almost discouraged from taking them out of the box. If not for their rare and nostalgic value, I’m nearly certain I would (and still might) sell them for a comparable driver sold by a company with more respect for their every day client. Not just OEM.

Post by **GlassWolf** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:03 am

Feandil yet again proves he has his head up his ass. I left CAF namely because I got tired of his constant sniping at my posts. He had trouble accepting that I was ever right about anything, and refused to accept my qualifications.
That board is a complete waste of time.
I should say he spent most of his time sniping at me, when he wasn't busy giving out inaccurate advice, or on his knees in front of geolemon (no offense, geo.. he just has his nose so far buried, he hasn't seen light in years. Nothing to do with you.)

That out of the way, intresting info there on Adire. I've been hearing a lot of negative stuff lately about them. First I'd noticed. If you really like the Brahmas though, look for the old style RE XXX subs. same motor, same great linearity, need a bit more power, but outstanding SQ oriented subs.. probably up there with an IDmax for detail, in the right setup.

mikechec9 · Post by **mikechec9** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:51 am

Yeah, that would actually be ideal. b/c of my hybrid (Sadhara) motors, I'm fairly confident I can still get the original amount paid if I were to sell them. The only problem then would be how to get my hands on some og XXX.

Post by **GlassWolf** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:33 am

that I could help with. PM me or sinner.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:22 am

My .02 on the Brahma: Very detailed and accurate under 60 Hz. While my range of auditions doesn't meet that of others on the forum (Jonathan), it would be difficult for me to imagine a more detailed driver. The bad is that any sub with such wide acclaim should not have such a relatively high failure rate due to parts. Needless to say, I JUST got mine back from a recone that originated over 6months ago.

I don't have anything against the SQ of a Brahma, it's an excellent SQ sub. I love my ID Max, but it isn't free of it's quirks, either. I love the detail and clarity of it, but it's different than a Brahma in characteristics. The Brahma outshines the Max down low, while the ID Max outshines the Brahma in transition with midbass drivers. Ported the ID Max does better down low, but not quite Brahma-esque. If you've got some badass midbass drivers to go strong to 50-60hz, get the Brahma. If you're going with a 6.5" set that do better crossed over at 80-100hz, the Max is the better choice. The main reason I got the Max was the fact that is was more flexible for future setups, and that it can do very well with AP membranes should I choose to go that route.

mikechec9 · Post by **mikechec9** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:46 pm

So I sold the bastages. Gone and great riddance. Never owned such a great sounding sub, but didn't want to risk the same malfunctioning to reoccur and then go through another 6 months of shotentein (my personal euphemism for poo poo). Fall for it once shame on you .. blah blah...Didn't expect the "Buy it Now" to get them off so quick though. I undersold, but I figured 5 for the pair was fair considering Adire's current issues.
At any rate I'll be ordering a couple of rl-p 12's toward the end of the wk unless i'm convinced otherwise by then. Guess it's finally time to graduate to a ported enclosure for the first time in 30yrs. I'll keep you posted as to the outcome.

geolemon · Post by **geolemon** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:15 pm

mikechec9 wrote:My goodness. The testicular jockeys on that thread.. I think dan carries five of them in his pants daily. Regardless I agree Those Ology cats rubbed me wrong in their first thread I read. And Feandil did get his hat handed to him (forced down his throat).
My .02 on the Brahma: Very detailed and accurate under 60 Hz. While my range of auditions doesn't meet that of others on the forum (Jonathan), it would be difficult for me to imagine a more detailed driver. The bad is that any sub with such wide acclaim should not have such a relatively high failure rate due to parts. Needless to say, I JUST got mine back from a recone that originated over 6months ago. Conveniently long enough for adire to forget that it was a warranty issue. 250.00 snatched from my account. Almost discouraged from taking them out of the box. If not for their rare and nostalgic value, I’m nearly certain I would (and still might) sell them for a comparable driver sold by a company with more respect for their every day client. Not just OEM.

Side benefit of Feandil shooting his mouth off all over CAF:
He's recently ramped up his efforts 10-fold to learn the technical info, so he doesn't look like a fool - and he's learned a lot!

Downside of being TOO anxious to look like a "guru" - the temptation to lie to impress others who 'don't know any better' so that you "feel" like you look like a guru..

...it's really impossible, on forums. I don't care who you are - there's ALWAYS someone out there who knows more than you, and if you so much as exaggerate a bit - expect that person to have their finger on the trigger ready to blow a hole right through you.

Feandil didn't.

Are your Brahmas in good shape? Fresh recones you said? Which gen Brahma are you talking about there?

Side question:
Any chance you might be interested in a future XBL^2 motored sub with a custom basket (approx 45mm rear clearance), with a linear Xmax in the 31mm range, and more suspension throw (sort of W7-esque)?
Interested if you could partial trade with your removed Brahma?
Couldn't happen until March, but... I dissected my V.1 Brahma. I want another for a benchmark (and to sit aside my XXX and JBL GTi to make people go "holy shiot!" when they walk in my office

).

sinister audio · Post by **sinister audio** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:32 pm

geo you got a sub under development?