Ryan from Ohio wrote:Its pretty crappy thing to realize nowdays. When yuo talk to someone new and all they care about is the power you are running and your overall SPL. THey are so dead set on knowing whose system is better just off that or amplifier output and numbe/size of subs...
Stupid newbs...
I ran into that alot with the S10. Granted I was only running a single boston Pro 12, and 2 120 WRMS amps. At first I would tell them the sub was bridged at 2 OHMs with about 350 RMS going to it, but that jut confused them that much more.
Towards the end, I just said come listen, and told them after they had a chance to hear it. Its alot more fun trying to convince someone its a single 12 on a 120 watt amp.
looking back this is something that has been coming for a long time.....remember back in the late 80's early 90's when richard clark with his speakerworks grand national was king? in those days you had to sound good and be loud to be competitive.....if i remember right clark had 6 speakers in that car....a pair of usd 15" subs, a pair of midbass drivers and a pair of usd waveguides....i dont mean to sound like grandpa talking bout the good ol days here but the current situation of autosound is where it is because it no longer became important to play music and be loud just as long as you were loud..i remember when db drags was a new idea and the thought process was to save car audio by having something more spectator friendly..i have complete respect for the thought that goes into building these vehicles and the building process itself...not everyone can build a vehicle that will hit in the 170's and i thnk we all can agree there is a lot more to it than simply powering up as many subs as you can fit in a vehicle.......but what would it take to get one of these vehicles so that you could actually listen to music in them? i think in order for sq to make a comeback it is going to take a manufacturer with enough testicular fortitude to make a product line or a number of show vehicles geared toward the fast and furious generation that provides decent spl and better than average sound quality....that kid in the beat up honda with the coffe can muffler is your customer and the future of this business and the direction that competition heads in is entirely up to hiim..........i remember the first time i sat in a competition car.....it was a 87 z28 that my boss at sight n sound owned and competed with....it was all rf and alpine back when rf was kickin ass.......a pair of pro 12's a set of pro 5.25 and tweets in the stock 6x9 slot and custom door build outs with 2 6.5" midbass drivers in each door and 5.25 and tweets in the dash........all rf punch 150's 4 of them running everything, rf 30 band eq's doing the tuning......i ca n still remember it today and that was 16 years ago....he played g-n-r welcome to the jungle and i had never heard anything like it....to that point in my life i had a pair of pule pro 10's a pyramid pb300 and panasonic 6x9's all off a kraco cassette deck.....if it hadnt been for that car i would not have ever cared about sq.....that was my first job at a car audio shop and i learned a ton working there......i guess while im pointing the finger at competetive organizations and manufacturers who in all actuallity were only saving their own asses because you need spectators at events and if there is nothing to watch why go? i guess i will also point the finger at the box stores....bb cc and the like....when was the last time you were at one of those stores and had someone who really knew what they were talking about? or had someone who could actually make recommendations based on your needs rather than what the computer says will fit? if this industry is going to see any type of turnaround it is going to have to start at the grass roots level...meaning small shops and businesses and clubs like wolfpack audio...it is going to take more than handing a customer the box the sub came packaged in and taking the time to educate the customer.....if you want someone to be disappointed sell someone a sub who doesnt have the foggiest idea how to install a sub and see what happens......it doesnt cost anything to educate someone on how to do something...espescially if they are like me and they ll screw it up 10 times getting it right because i want to do it myself...............
lol jeremy. well since you mentioned the car that got you into car audio and SQ, i gotta tell you mine. it was an early 90's honda civic; he had 3 10w6's when they first came out running on one linear power amp pushing just under 200 watts each. then he had mb quart components with another linear power amp pushing about 125 watts each side. audio control 4xs i think, 2 audio control eqt's and a kenwood kdc-ps905(when kenwood was still good) he won 7 iasca sponsored events with that car. it was so awesome!!! i remember when i first heard i thought that he was singing cause the backup singers were on the left or somethin!! lol i think he was playin extreme
Morel Elate 3-ways ran by a Genesis Series III Dual-mono, Morel Ultimo ran by an Autotek mm3000.1, Alpine DVA-9861
then i went with him to the iasca finals in dallas that year, he didn't compete for some reason. but anyway, after that trip i developed a love for sq. just never had any money to do anything about it until now!!
Morel Elate 3-ways ran by a Genesis Series III Dual-mono, Morel Ultimo ran by an Autotek mm3000.1, Alpine DVA-9861
Lets see, the car that got me started in SQ. Rob Rices 89 honda accord. The install that Jeff Sanders did.
2 Kicker Solo 12s (the round ones)
I forget the mids he had.
Kicker tweets
and like 4 or 5 kicker amps. The old white ones.
And a Eq that ran all the way across the trunk.
That install was off the hook. Rob Rice is one of my competition idols. I know the guy personally and have competed directly against his right hand man, Don Tessier. Through that time, CarToys was one of my favorite shops to do business at. Shoot, they were on my short list of 3 shops to do my current install. Possibly my next install.
When Gary's Regal was just white and ran kicker, that was one of my favorite all time installs.
