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aggybong
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Amp\Speaker\General advice badly needed

Post by aggybong »

Quick summary: For unknown reasons, my 5 channel amp died, putting me out of commission. Looking for advice on what killed it, and what I should replace it with. (scroll to numbered stuff for main info\questions)

Long version: After numerous problems with my car audio setup, I thought I was doing well. I had a decent headunit (Alpine 9830), decent Sub (Alpine Type-R), a seemingly nice amp (SoundStream 800.5), and a single Infinity Kappa 62.5i (One was broken). The Kappa was obviously the weak point, and I was extremely close to getting enough money to buy replacements; components to be precise.

But then, disaster. The amp, for unknown reasons, stopped working. One day on the way home, I started to hear crackling, then the volume got feinter and feinter, until there was no sound at all, all in the span of a few seconds. The headunit was still going as if nothing had happened, but there was no sound. After reaching home I got to check out the car, and couldn't find anything wrong with the amp, or the connections. I could smell a burnt smell, and the rail(+) and power lights were barely lit, but that was it.

I didn't really know what to do, so I kind of ignored it. I guess it didn't like being ignored, because the amp then decided to drain the battery of my car, so I had to disconnect it. Since then (begining of April) I have been musicless. I was pretty depressed after spending $300 on the amp and another $50 in misc expenses in addition to what I have already put into it just to have it blow.

As for what caused this, I have no clue. I have narrowed it down to a few things:

1. Installation: I paid AmericanTV to install everything, and when I checked it myself, everything seemed nicely done.

2. There was slight dimming of the headlights and the inside lights when bass hit, but I didn't know how to fix it, so I left it. I figured I was only running 600W (at first), and had read that most alternators can handle 800wish without issue. What's funny is that when it blew, I was only using 500W at peak. When I first set it up, I was using all 5 channels, then decided to remove the rear speakers. Then a little while later, one of my fronts decided to die, leaving the sub and a single speaker as the only draw of power.

3. Possibly related to #2: The amp got *hot*. It would burn you if you touched it after extended use. I even recall it shutting off automatically once after having it on for an hour or so during a long drive.

As for warranty on the amp...I bought it from Ebay :( The person I bought it from gave it a 30 day warranty, and that was it. It was sold as new, but I remember hearing SoundStream is extremely picky or flat out refuses to service stuff that wasn't bought from an authorized dealer. I've more or less given up on repairing it, and I now have a very expensive paper weight.

So here I am now. I have managed to save up $300 that's available to spend on car audio...if I want to. Right now my main concern is preventing another amp death, I can't afford to piss away another $300.

So now, the questions:

1. What was the likely cause of my amps death? After reading a bit more about Soundstream, I have heard complaints about faulty power supplies; could that have been it?

2. Are there any decent 2ch amps for about $150 that can push 200w? What about decent components for $150 that can handle 100w? Before my amp died, I was considering Oz Vectors. (No more ebay for me unless theres a warranty backed by a reputable person\company)
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Post by 71buickfreak »

the burnt smell neans its screwed. theres probably no chance of it being a simple fix. could anything have crossed over a speaker output shorting it out? mor than likely, it sounds like a power supply issue is the amp itself won't power up. if it was the output side, it would probably power up. what ohm load were you running the sub at? where was it mounted? it sounds like you were having some issues since it was thermaling. its pretty rare to actually trip the thermal breaker on an amp, it has to get WAY hot. since soundstream has gone downhill in th past few ears, I am not sure what series this amp is. if it was one of the older good amps, this shouldn't have happened. it is probably because you had a bad speaker which dead shorted its voice coil which inturn shorted the output section and when the amps protection cicuit failed to trip, the power supply blew. that sucks. next time, buy from a reputable shop where you can get real service and warranty assistance. you get what you pay for usually, although it sounds like you paid a little much for this amp. I would stay away form the "all in one" amps, if something blows, you are left without tunes. go get yourself a nice 4 chnnel and a sub amp. buy a good brand and internet junk. I used to be a Soundstream guy years ago untilt they went bankrupt and got bought by some jerks who ruined the name.
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Post by Dragon_fire »

im trying to get rid of a 4 channel JBL bp 80.4 amp. 40x4@4 ohms, 80x4@ 2ohms bridgable to two channels ~120x4 @ 4 ohms.
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Post by aggybong »

Thanks for the replies

71buickfreak: I figured the amp was a goner. $300 bucks got me a whole four months of audio, not very good :(

As for your questions, it's the Van Gogh series amp, and it was mounted on the backseat. The sub was running at 2ohms (400w), and the speaker was around 100w @ 4ohms.

Also, do you recommend any online shops that have a decent price and a good warranty? I don't like buying from retail stores, they charge a lot :(

Dragon: How much for the amp?
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Post by Dragon_fire »

$100 shipped ?
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Post by crzystng »

Dragon_fire wrote:im trying to get rid of a 4 channel JBL bp 80.4 amp. 40x4@4 ohms, 80x4@ 2ohms bridgable to two channels ~120x4 @ 4 ohms.
thats 160X2 rs at 4 ohms bridged ;) I have one of them hooked up in a 3 ohm bridged mode running m boston comps ;) bad ass little amps though. kinda wishing I didnt sell my other one now, but cant afford another! !LOL if I were to buy another amp for the fronts it would either be a butler 150X2 or else a rf power 800a2 :bigwink: damn power hogs!! hehe
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Post by 6three6mafia6 »

hey man everytime one of fuses has blown my music starts making a cracking noice then it faints and cutts off, even though the head unit is still working, worth a try to check the fuses on that amp of on the distribution block.
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Post by aggybong »

The fuse thing popped into my head as well, but this amp has no external fuses. I'd have to open it up, and I haven't really tried :( Hell, I haven't even unmounted it from the back seat, I should do that sometime.

Does anyone know how to open a SoundStream VanGogh 800.5 amp?
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Post by aggybong »

Well, for anyone who cares, I opened up the amp, and I saw burn marks on the PCB, as well as some brown burn marks on the cover :( Guess it's toast. Also, no fuses to be seen, what the hell is up with that?

I think I have my replacements coming already, though. Picked up a JBL BP 600.1, and I think I am going to buy a Cadence Z8000. Those two should be all the power I should ever need, they just need to last forever :)
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