Advice from the older and wiser...

[Jon]

WOW, is this thread for real? I know if it is I am going to look like a real asshole, but I don't care honestly.

First off, if you get meds for YOUR pain and they are paid for by the tax payer (ME), then you go and sell them, that is really phucked up. And if this lady has a true need and a job, she likely has a legit way to get her own script.

Secondly, pill poppers start out with just a few to get a buzz, then before you know it, they are stealing or turning tricks to get a fix. I have never met a user that did not end up on that path. I have seen plenty of very good people that had good careers before they decided to pop a few oxies on a Saturday night. Most of them are in jail now. Had it not been for the pills, they would still be employed and would be taking care of their families.

The whole disability thing is a farce to me. Sure I will admit that there might be a few that really can't work. But most of the people I know of on disability are just lazy people who are too fat to get off the couch. Or they don't have the mental strength to leave the house. Boo phucking hoo!

Do I sound pissed off..? I am. Since when was this country based on finding a good lawyer so you can live off the tax payer? Anyone can find a job. You might not like to hear that, but it is true. There are many jobs that you can run out of the comfort of your own home. If you can't keep regular hours, run an Internet based business. Find something you can make at home and sell it on eBay. Make blankets or boxes, or widgets or what ever it is you are good at. No one cares if you have hives. They will never see you. No one cares if you ever leave the house. UPS will do the driving for you.

Get a grip and quit looking for the easy way out. Hard work is the only way you will find true happiness. Where is disability going to take you? Selling meds to crack heads is going to land your ass in jail most likely.

Grow up!

[Mithrandir]

WOW, is this thread for real? I know if it is I am going to look like a real asshole, but I don't care honestly.
First off, if you get meds for YOUR pain and they are paid for by the tax payer (ME), then you go and sell them, that is really phucked up. And if this lady has a true need and a job, she likely has a legit way to get her own script.
Secondly, pill poppers start out with just a few to get a buzz, then before you know it, they are stealing or turning tricks to get a fix. I have never met a user that did not end up on that path. I have seen plenty of very good people that had good careers before they decided to pop a few oxies on a Saturday night. Most of them are in jail now. Had it not been for the pills, they would still be employed and would be taking care of their families.
The whole disability thing is a farce to me. Sure I will admit that there might be a few that really can't work. But most of the people I know of on disability are just lazy people who are too fat to get off the couch. Or they don't have the mental strength to leave the house. Boo phucking hoo!
Do I sound pissed off..? I am. Since when was this country based on finding a good lawyer so you can live off the tax payer? Anyone can find a job. You might not like to hear that, but it is true. There are many jobs that you can run out of the comfort of your own home. If you can't keep regular hours, run an Internet based business. Find something you can make at home and sell it on eBay. Make blankets or boxes, or widgets or what ever it is you are good at. No one cares if you have hives. They will never see you. No one cares if you ever leave the house. UPS will do the driving for you.
Get a grip and quit looking for the easy way out. Hard work is the only way you will find true happiness. Where is disability going to take you? Selling meds to crack heads is going to land your ass in jail most likely.
Grow up!

lol u mad?

Its easier said than done... starting a home business especially with no marketable skills, your talking to a 23 year old who has held 2 jobs both in garages and has know business knowledge, believe me ive tried, im not here to convience you of my disability. I will continue fighting for what I feel i deserve, if i paid into the system when i was working it should help support me when im unable to work. As for the pill issue, i take pills socially, i know several people who do also for much longer periods than I have. They arent in jail.

There is a huge social stigma when it comes to doing any mild altering substance which is why the hundreds of thousands of people who do smoke pot weekly, pop pills on occasion, take amphetameans, or exstacy, shrooms or acid whatever drug you wanna pick on do it in private.

To the person on the last page the pills deal is pretty much a moral issue. Honestly i truely believe people should be allowed to grow their own pot, their own poppies and make opiates if they want or ingest whatever they choose, and its no ones business to save someone from their self. If we were to do that we would need to outlaw fast food and sugary foods as well. Outlaw smokes and alcohol, because alcohol withdrawl is far more deadly and hard to manage than opiate with drawl. Yes ive spoken with EMTs on the subject, infact we had a big discussion on another board im on relating to the War on drugs, why its ment to fail and imprison good people.

The people you knew who ended up in jail knew the risks, and if it wasnt for a big nanny government telling them what was right for them, they would still have jobs and be living their lives, they would either keep taking pills every now and then or they would get addicted and either die or choose to quit. Which is there choice and no one has the right to take that from them.

As for the lady getting her own script, doctors cant feel your pain so they have to judge who needs the pills and who is just looking for a high so they can err either way giving it to someone who doesnt need it or not giving them to someone who does. I dont feel pitty for people who scam disability either, if your healthy enough to work then so be it, but if your not and you paid into the system the system should take care of you until your are healthy enough to work again.

Then again im an idealist i guess, hell id be classified as a terrorist according to recently a released memo to a police department in missouri i think it was, ya know speaking about the constitution, freedoms and rights, thats bad.

Now im rambling so im going to cut off my post here.

Edit: BTW if you could help me find a way to make money from home I would be extremely greatful, all i can really do is sit on the PC most of the time if im not laying down or sick from the amount of antihistamines or whatever other drugs i have to take to keep shit bareable for myself.

No im not against working but for me to be able to get gainful sustainable employment outside of my house would be impossible at this point.

Since you got into the business of YOU the tax payer, i would like to state i also paid taxes, i paid taxes for all the healthy people who dont want to work ect.. from my point of view if I were healthy paying taxes and someone sick came up to me and asked do you mind that i sell pain pills i get for nearly free to make some what of an income so i can support my continued treatment and help my single parent out who has gotten into debt helping me get treatment, what kind of a person would I be to say no, i dont care how sick you are get a job....

I could never do that and sleep at night but i guess thats where value systems differ, i value people, their health, their freedom to choose. I also know you have no way of knowing what ive been going through so i dont blame you for feeling the way you do about me and my situation but that as far as it goes.

And also in regards to people in prison for drug abuse whom many of which could be contributing members of society if it wasnt for moronic laws. You are paying taxes to keep them in prison and i think it roughly comes out to 50k a year is the average cost of keeping someone in prison, just a little thing to think about

[MobileAudio219]

Its easier said than done... starting a home business especially with no marketable skills, your talking to a 23 year old who has held 2 jobs both in garages and has know business knowledge, believe me ive tried, im not here to convience you of my disability.

Nobody said it would be easy. If your income is none exsistance I really dont see how youre not eligible for a student loan. I think college would be a very wise decision for you. Theres several programs that work with people suffering from disabilities (both physical and mental.) They'll have a sit down session with you, figure out what you can/can't do, and then find you a job. Heck, they will even pick you up and take you to and from work. Contact your local Social Sercuity Office and they can probably help you out. If not, pm me and I will help you out. Theres always something out there if you make a serious effort to look...

I will continue fighting for what I feel i deserve, if i paid into the system when i was working it should help support me when im unable to work.

If you absolutely can't work, then yes, I think you should recieve disability. Though I do think one of the above programs can find you something your physically/mentally able to do...

As for the pill issue, i take pills socially, i know several people who do also for much longer periods than I have. They arent in jail.

Hmm, so you basically collect these pills so you can get a buzz off them and so you can sell? That's the type of behavior that makes me really question rather or not you should get disability. I'm a FIRM believer that if you get any type of goverment aid you should be subjected to random drug test. Fail a test, get kicked off the program. If you want to become a drug addict, do so on your own money.

There is a huge social stigma when it comes to doing any mild altering substance which is why the hundreds of thousands of people who do smoke pot weekly, pop pills on occasion, take amphetameans, or exstacy, shrooms or acid whatever drug you wanna pick on do it in private.

If somebody wants to get high in the privacy of their own homes, off the money they EARNED, then more power to them. The problem is, you see, is most of the drug addicts I know are all thieves. This is where it effects the rest of society. I live in the meth capital of the world, I have close family members who are addicts (most of whom started out with pot and pills.) I've seen the results of a meth lab gone wrong. You preaching to the wrong guy about how drugs should be socially excepted.

To the person on the last page the pills deal is pretty much a moral issue. Honestly i truely believe people should be allowed to grow their own pot, their own poppies and make opiates if they want or ingest whatever they choose, and its no ones business to save someone from their self. If we were to do that we would need to outlaw fast food and sugary foods as well. Outlaw smokes and alcohol, because alcohol withdrawl is far more deadly and hard to manage than opiate with drawl. Yes ive spoken with EMTs on the subject, infact we had a big discussion on another board im on relating to the War on drugs, why its ment to fail and imprison good people.

The same goes for smokers. I don't want to sit next to one while eating dinner. If they want to smoke in the resturant, than go sit with the other smokers. Smoking outside or in their own homes, cars, ect doesnt bother me. I'd just rather not deal with it while trying to eat, or in small enclosed areas. Most smokers arent affraid to toss their cigg. butts out the window, or onto the sidewalk, ect... That does pee me off a little.

Same thing with alcohol, I dont mind if somebody wants to get blastard in their own homes, in a bar, ect. I do have a problem with drunk drivers and drunks who like to get loud/annoying in public places.

The people you knew who ended up in jail knew the risks, and if it wasnt for a big nanny government telling them what was right for them, they would still have jobs and be living their lives, they would either keep taking pills every now and then or they would get addicted and either die or choose to quit. Which is there choice and no one has the right to take that from them.

They knew the risk, but once youre hooked your hooked. And most people who experiment with drugs have the same attitude as you "oh, it's not going to be a problem." I venture to say that most addicts didnt plan to become one.

As for the lady getting her own script, doctors cant feel your pain so they have to judge who needs the pills and who is just looking for a high so they can err either way giving it to someone who doesnt need it or not giving them to someone who does.

Oh, you mean like yourself? Obviously you dont need the pain killers if youre selling them off. Most doctors are quick to prescribe pain killers... Obviously!

I dont feel pitty for people who scam disability either, if your healthy enough to work then so be it, but if your not and you paid into the system the system should take care of you until your are healthy enough to work again.

You're basically scamming the goverment and tax payers by selling off the meds. Somebody has to pay for them, and why? So you can sell them to protential junkies just to make a quick buck? Hate to say it dude, but thats just as bad, if not worse.

Edit: BTW if you could help me find a way to make money from home I would be extremely greatful, all i can really do is sit on the PC most of the time if im not laying down or sick from the amount of antihistamines or whatever other drugs i have to take to keep shit bareable for myself. No im not against working but for me to be able to get gainful sustainable employment outside of my house would be impossible at this point.

Maybe you should get off the pills, or atleast take them as prescribed? Like I said, check the with the SS office and they should be able to hook you up. If not, pm me and I will help you.

Since you got into the business of YOU the tax payer, i would like to state i also paid taxes, i paid taxes for all the healthy people who dont want to work ect..

Like you said, you've only had two jobs... and I'm pretty sure I remember you saying you didnt keep either one for very long. It doesnt even really matter, if you need it, you need it. I just think you should go about things the right way and stop selling your pain killers. If you can live without them (which you obviously can if youre selling them), then stop filling the prescription and save the taxes payers some money....

from my point of view if I were healthy paying taxes and someone sick came up to me and asked do you mind that i sell pain pills i get for nearly free to make some what of an income so i can support my continued treatment and help my single parent out who has gotten into debt helping me get treatment, what kind of a person would I be to say no, i dont care how sick you are get a job....

I'd tell them to stop getting the meds if they didnt need them, which they wouldnt if they are selling them. If they were bad enough to where they couldnt honestly work I would take them to appy for disability so they could get the ball rolling in the right direction. I would then take them to a homeless shelther or a church that would be willing to put them up for a while. At the end of the day I would feel like I actually helped the person, not just pat them on the back and say "sure, go become a drug dealer and set yourself up for a life of failures."

I could never do that and sleep at night but i guess thats where value systems differ, i value people, their health, their freedom to choose. I also know you have no way of knowing what ive been going through so i dont blame you for feeling the way you do about me and my situation but that as far as it goes. Anybody who actually knows me knows how I am with homeless people. I bet I've gave more rides/money to homeless people in the last year that you have your whole life. Theres one thing helping somebody out, its another to tell them its ok to become a drug dealer.

How do you know what I've been though? You dont! You posted for advice, I gave you mine. If you dont like it, ignore my post and continue being a drug dealer. But when you end up in prision (and most dealers do) don't complain that nobody tried to help...

And also in regards to people in prison for drug abuse whom many of which could be contributing members of society if it wasnt for moronic laws. You are paying taxes to keep them in prison and i think it roughly comes out to 50k a year is the average cost of keeping someone in prison, just a little thing to think about

Oh yeah, maybe we should just close down all the prisons? Or maybe execute 9 out of 10 people who found guilty in drug related cases. Of course the 10th guy would have watch (maybe even pull the trigger), but we'd just let him go with a warning (next time thats you!)

[Jon]

lol u mad?

Its easier said than done... starting a home business especially with no marketable skills, your talking to a 23 year old who has held 2 jobs both in garages and has know business knowledge, believe me ive tried, im not here to convience you of my disability. I will continue fighting for what I feel i deserve, if i paid into the system when i was working it should help support me when im unable to work. As for the pill issue, i take pills socially, i know several people who do also for much longer periods than I have. They arent in jail.

You paid into the system for what, a few years at minimum pay? How much total did you contribute to society? A few thousand bucks?

There is a huge social stigma when it comes to doing any mild altering substance which is why the hundreds of thousands of people who do smoke pot weekly, pop pills on occasion, take amphetameans, or exstacy, shrooms or acid whatever drug you wanna pick on do it in private.

Wow, not sure how to say this, but drugs in general ruin lives. Sure there are few people who have used in moderation, but the grand majority of users will eventually slide deep into addiction. If you want to think otherwise, I will not persuade you.

To the person on the last page the pills deal is pretty much a moral issue. Honestly i truely believe people should be allowed to grow their own pot, their own poppies and make opiates if they want or ingest whatever they choose, and its no ones business to save someone from their self. If we were to do that we would need to outlaw fast food and sugary foods as well. Outlaw smokes and alcohol, because alcohol withdrawl is far more deadly and hard to manage than opiate with drawl. Yes ive spoken with EMTs on the subject, infact we had a big discussion on another board im on relating to the War on drugs, why its ment to fail and imprison good people.

I am not so against the pot issue, not that I personally have ever smoked, but it is far less harmless than tobacco. Hell I think there are plenty of people I know that would be better off getting high once in a while to chill them out.

Now I would not take the word of an EMT as gospel. They are just a little more trained than your average firefighter. They don't even have the education requirements of an RN, let alone a doctor or pharmacist.

The people you knew who ended up in jail knew the risks, and if it wasnt for a big nanny government telling them what was right for them, they would still have jobs and be living their lives, they would either keep taking pills every now and then or they would get addicted and either die or choose to quit. Which is there choice and no one has the right to take that from them.

Um, no they didn't get busted for drugs, they got busted for stealing people's shit and turning tricks for dope. You cannot find a way to blame that on drug legislation. That is 100% the fault of their addictions. Nice try.

As for the lady getting her own script, doctors cant feel your pain so they have to judge who needs the pills and who is just looking for a high so they can err either way giving it to someone who doesnt need it or not giving them to someone who does. I dont feel pitty for people who scam disability either, if your healthy enough to work then so be it, but if your not and you paid into the system the system should take care of you until your are healthy enough to work again.

If the lady has the pain you say she has, then the DR would see that and offer her a valid script. But since she is self medication off the street, I would bet she more likely has an addiction to feed, not legit pain.

Then again im an idealist i guess, hell id be classified as a terrorist according to recently a released memo to a police department in missouri i think it was, ya know speaking about the constitution, freedoms and rights, thats bad.

Now im rambling so im going to cut off my post here.

OK, now you sound like a wacko here. Why would you be considered a terrorist? I will bite.

Edit: BTW if you could help me find a way to make money from home I would be extremely greatful, all i can really do is sit on the PC most of the time if im not laying down or sick from the amount of antihistamines or whatever other drugs i have to take to keep shit bareable for myself.

No im not against working but for me to be able to get gainful sustainable employment outside of my house would be impossible at this point.

What skills DO you have? No, selling your scripts does not count.

Since you got into the business of YOU the tax payer, i would like to state i also paid taxes, i paid taxes for all the healthy people who dont want to work ect.. from my point of view if I were healthy paying taxes and someone sick came up to me and asked do you mind that i sell pain pills i get for nearly free to make some what of an income so i can support my continued treatment and help my single parent out who has gotten into debt helping me get treatment, what kind of a person would I be to say no, i dont care how sick you are get a job....

How much have you paid in taxes in your lifetime? A few thousand? You are only 23 years old. You have only been of age to work for what, 7-8 years? How much have you earned in that short time?

I could never do that and sleep at night but i guess thats where value systems differ, i value people, their health, their freedom to choose. I also know you have no way of knowing what ive been going through so i dont blame you for feeling the way you do about me and my situation but that as far as it goes.

Where are your values in terms of helping people with addictions? Do you feel it is your responsibility to pay for the addictions of others? What about a really fat person who has heart problems from eating to much and not working out enough? Should they sit on their fat ass and live off my hard work? What if their addiction was meth? Should I pay to help them through addiction rehab? Should I have to pay higher retail prices to compensate for the theft loss incurred by the stores they steal from?

And also in regards to people in prison for drug abuse whom many of which could be contributing members of society if it wasnt for moronic laws. You are paying taxes to keep them in prison and i think it roughly comes out to 50k a year is the average cost of keeping someone in prison, just a little thing to think about

Look, you can try to make them the victims all you want, but they went to jail because of their addictions, not because a law said it was wrong to abuse illicit drugs. They stole stuff or turned tricks to get a fix. That is what landed them in jail. I would rather house them in jail then pay for their added cost to society while free. At least while they are jailed I don't have to worry about them stealing my stuff or killing me over a $5 score.

[Mithrandir]

Sorry, militia member not terrorist.

http://www.news-leader.com/assets/pdf/DO131242323.PDF

I have 1. a christian identity
2. feel im a sovereign citizen
3. anti immigration
4. I support ron paul
5. have seen, zeitgeist, end game, loose change final cut, obama deception and other videos.

By these 5 criteria alone i would be classfied to police as someone who would be a militia member.

Yes you should pay to help people go through rehab, wouldnt you want someone to do the same, if your making 100k a year and living comfortably you should going out helping other people you know by giving them money or helping them with bills if its not placing yourself in a comprimised position, will this ever happen no because the media has taught us to hate each other, only care about our wealth, and have no compassion.

As for the cost of pills we could just as easily say the drug companies are to blame more than say I would be, because they are making 200,000% profit on certain drugs..... is that right no? Its not right that our air is being polluted by chemtrails or our water with flouride compounds, are food being genetically modified. Maybe i wouldnt be in this position if i wasnt given so many antibiotics when i was younger by all the doctors, we could blame then too for people having to pay extra taxes for health care.

We could play the blame game all day, in the end its a matter of opinion, and morality and ideals.

BTW your acting like im making shit tons of cash off of selling pills, i did it once, made 25 bucks that i spent of a doctors visit.

Only skills i currently have are PC repair and trouble shooting which i cant do over the phone due to memory problems and the like. I know a little bit about cars also. Have done minor database work running an EQ emulator server and minor website work. Nothing anyone would pay me for.

To mobile, if the law was I had to drug test to get my disability i would most definilty quit, because its not hard like everyone makes it out to be, hell i will have quit in a few days if i dont get a new script which isnt a big deal

[MobileAudio219]

And please dont think we're trying to gang up on you (atleast I'm not), we're just trying to steer you away from making bad decisions.

If you notice my first post in this thread I was trying to be helpful and not judgemental, but once you started talking about selling pills the game plan changed.

Go here: http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/ and fill out the student loan papers.

Call up the social security office or vocational rehabilitation services and see if they can help you find a job that you're able to do with youre disability.

They might be able to help you find a job that you are able to do and even like, its worth a shot. They might even be able to help with you disability case?? Call, its worth a try..

I think you would of gotten much better responses if you didnt start talking about sell your prescriptions...

[Mithrandir]

You're basically scamming the goverment and tax payers by selling off the meds. Somebody has to pay for them, and why? So you can sell them to protential junkies just to make a quick buck? Hate to say it dude, but thats just as bad, if not worse."

No problem with ripping off the government, as far as tax payers me selling a few scripts wouldnt cause atax hike but it may provide me with enough income to help my recovery

How do you know what I've been though? You dont! You posted for advice, I gave you mine. If you dont like it, ignore my post and continue being a drug dealer. But when you end up in prision (and most dealers do) don't complain that nobody tried to help... "

I never said I knew what youve been through, i know the risks and like i said i did this once, i dont blame anyone for the choices i make.

Maybe you should get off the pills, or atleast take them as prescribed? Like I said, check the with the SS office and they should be able to hook you up. If not, pm me and I will help you.

Not really abusing them, taking 5mg over the recommended dose is nothing.

I dont understand why you guys are getting so mad about this stuff its not like im deliberately trying to offend you or im attacking you, i appreciate the helpful stuff posted as well.

I think you would of gotten much better responses if you didnt start talking about sell your prescriptions...

Eh i do to but, just frustrated, thats life i guess huh... i guess im weird i dont blame people for robbing people if they are left with no choice, i also wouldnt blame someone for killing me if i robbed them.

[MobileAudio219]

I'm pretty much going to disagree with most everything you said in this thread. With that being said, I hope things work out for you.

Just because things dont seem to be working out for you doesnt mean there not, sometimes you have to take a step back and look at the whole picture to figure things out..

Some people consult in god or religion, some people consult with a friend or a therapist, some people just need to figure things out for their self.

I still think college may be the answer. I plan on going to college in the fall, a little late in life (I'll be 26 by then), but it's better late then never I surpose.

[Mithrandir]

I'm pretty much going to disagree with most everything you said in this thread. With that being said, I hope things work out for you.
Just because things dont seem to be working out for you doesnt mean there not, sometimes you have to take a step back and look at the whole picture to figure things out..
Some people consult in god or religion, some people consult with a friend or a therapist, some people just need to figure things out for their self.
I still think college may be the answer. I plan on going to college in the fall, a little late in life (I'll be 26 by then), but it's better late then never I surpose.

Thats ok, thats the great thing we can still disagree. When i get better im definilty going to college.

I just dont want people thinking oh hes bad or evil because hes willing to do some less tasteful things to support himself or his family while trying to get better. 9 chances out of 10 i wont get a prescription for pain pills. If you care ill keep you updated on my health and case status here if u guys want.

[MobileAudio219]

Thats ok, thats the great thing we can still disagree. When i get better im definilty going to college.
I just dont want people thinking oh hes bad or evil because hes willing to do some less tasteful things to support himself or his family while trying to get better. 9 chances out of 10 i wont get a prescription for pain pills. If you care ill keep you updated on my health and case status here if u guys want.

Yeah, keep us updated. Like I said, if you need it you need it. I'll pm you some advice tomorrow which will help your case. Theres some tricks that really helps out.