smoker wrote:also, audio is a somewhat emotional decision. i talk to people everyday who dont like brand x for some stupid reason that has nothing to do with anything. sometimes people like to rebel against that which is popular without really having a good reason other than wanting to stand out from the crowd. i think this list has to be compiled without emotion, without prejudice and with the foresight that your emotional attatchments to a certain brand or your bias against a product that may actually be a reliable product may cause a less informed person to pass on the better product for their application.
Very well said Terry
Although naturally I am biased towards the lines I carry, it is mostly due to me having hands on experience with them... There are a great many products older and newer as well though that are very good if not excellent products that I definately cannot argue with... And this needs to really be an overall perpective of the companies and their products and not just an opinion of them due to their team(s) or the stereotypical people that use the products... Even in some cases a very good product may have poor customer service... This in itself should not effect the product(s), only the company and may be noted off to the side.
bill you are but one of many people i talk to who has decided not to like them on a personal level. i know people who wont buy it because it isnt jl. and that is the only reason. they have 12w0's in their car and because it has jl on the dustcap its every bit as good and will handle as much power as an l7.....
I've known my fair share of the JL idiot clan up here too... Funny how a name on a lesser sub can outsell a superior sub of a different label... This being one of the reasons this list needs revamped... I'm not saying JL is bad, just saying that on their lower level line, better can be had for the money of the name
Bwcad1 wrote:im glad you see that terry. you wont ever see me say they make a bad product but you will hardly ever see me suggest them.
yessir i mos deff see your points and they are well taken and as you stated not a reflection of the actual product but rather the company itself. while i completely agree with you the end consumer just doesnt care in most cases. for example, i used to sell some dei alarms, i had to make sure to have back ups in stock because it wasnt that uncommon to have one arrive doa. either the remotes or the brain itself not functioning correctly. i spoke to a customer yesterday who asked what kind of systems i sold and when i told him autopage, he siad he was a fan of dei. i told him i could get him dei but would rathr not and when i explained why, he told me he had issues with every dei system hed owned....why then would he want another? because thats what he knew. if he as an uninformed person was familiar with the dei name it must be good. everyone sells it right? thats like saying mcdonalds has the best food because there are so many of them...
the problem with sony is still the same as it's always been. reliability, and as an auth'ed repair center, availability or ability to get parts when they do fail.
I agree totally with the JL comments, if you can afford to drop 1500. on a sub you'll get a killer sub, but what about the people who only have a few hundred for an entire system. I'm not looking to piss on JL but for a long time now I have felt people are just buying the name.
There is a certain amount of personal preference involved but, to make an educated and informed purchase there is a fair amount of homework that needs to be done.
smoker wrote:thats like saying mcdonalds has the best food because there are so many of them...
wait... so what are u getting at?
but yeah i completely agree on the JL equipment. good equipment but not for the prices, so many less 'mainstream' brands that are as good or better for less $$
GlassWolf wrote:the problem with sony is still the same as it's always been. reliability, and as an auth'ed repair center, availability or ability to get parts when they do fail.
i just this past summer sold a sony head unit i had been using for 10 years and aside from re audio and kicker they are the only brand i have never had a return on.
there is a first time for everything terry! you know that as well as everyone. remember fusion? lol hahaha. i think i remember you saying you never had a return on autotek 2 is that right?
