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[quote="Airforceyooper"]Again I can't get to the last page of the thread. Anyway, I wanted to comment on something someone said a couple pages ago about it being nearly inpossible to come here legally. It only seems to be a problem for people from Mexico. Nobody else seems to have as difficult a time. Or they do, but they're more willing to deal with it. Either way, coming here illegally isn't acceptable.[/quote]

your right about the majority of people have problems getting papers are Mexicans. Their country is huge and their quota fills up particularly fast. This is the quota:
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While family members of U.S. citizens remained the largest category of immigrants, the act established a separate annual quota of 140,000 for immigrants with job skills needed in the United States. Responding to pressure from various lobby groups, the 1990 act granted annual quotas of 40,000 to 55,000 to countries that had sent few immigrants in recent years.
[url]http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761566973&pn=4[/url][/quote]

As you see on the CIAs website there is an estimation of the population of all the countries in the world ( [url]http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html[/url] ). Mexico is 13th with 107 million people. the next country that would reasonably come here for work would be Colombia which is 30th with a population of 43 million and after that its Ecuador coming in at 66th with a population of 13 million. Mexico is substantially larger than the other countires


[quote="OnYrMrk"]
You don't hear Canadians bitching about not getting the same rights as we do. If they want it bad enough, they will get the proper documentation to become a US citizen. You don't hear of the Asian's or the Middle Easterner's leaving their jobs to support the Mexican immigrants. Afterall, they are immigrants too. Why is that. Why were the chinese food places open and the colleges were still filled with the other immigrants...why was it only the mexicans who marched? If this was a march for immigrant rights, shouldn't the others (asian, mid east, canada, russian, poland, austrailian, german, english, irish, scottish...I could go on), why didn't they join in the march. Because they respect what this Country has to offer, and they are trying to better themselves to become a bonified US Citizen. [/quote]

This is also ties into what I’m saying. All of the other immigrants are legal citizens (for the most part) (it wasnt only mexicans that joined the rally. cubans ecuadorians and colombians were there also). That’s why they aren’t joining the rally. They came here legally because their quota isn’t unremittingly filled up. people from well-to-do countries aren’t going to come flocking here for work because they have plenty of jobs in their own country. Even if they did want to work here, they could relatively easily (due to the large quota and small amount of applicants).

For the other countries that aren’t “well-to-do” I’m sure they would love to come here but its just not economically logical to buy a plane ticket, come here and work illegally with the chance of deportation, therefore, what they do is go to a country around them which they can work in i.e. germany, england, france, spain, denmark, or finland just to name a few. Even if they did want to buy a plain ticket and come here it would be comparatively hard because of the immigration (from oversea’s).

I have also saw that a large amount of you have said “if you want it bad enough they could get it”. I don’t see anyway that they could speed up the process or do anything differently because it is done by lottery. Yeah sure they can wait but there is no guarantee at all. With the vast amount of applicants and the minute amount accepted it is no wonder why they come here illegally.

I think there was a few of you that said something along the lines of “just don’t come here if your doing it illegally”. That fine and dandy if you live here. If you have ever been to Mexico you know what I mean (no not cancoon or any resort at all). life there is terrible. I can barley try to put it into perspective if you have never been there but for example if you buy a coke at a vender you cant walk away because he wants to reuse the bottle because it cost to much to make a new one(ok I know that wasn’t the best example). I’m not trying to get you to put money in a charity box or anything because there are places in the world that need it a lot more than mexico but my point is, if you live in poverty your entire life and you have a relatively easy way to get out of it, why wouldn’t you do it?

Someone else said it, “Its not their fault, its our government, it has been year in and year out”. They are going to come here as long as its easy and the pay is there. i think its always going to be here because not many buisnesses can survive without cheap labor.

Again I can't get to the last page of the thread. Anyway, I wanted to comment on something someone said a couple pages ago about it being nearly inpossible to come here legally. It only seems to be a problem for people from Mexico. Nobody else seems to have as difficult a time. Or they do, but they're more willing to deal with it. Either way, coming here illegally isn't acceptable.

[quote="veggie-man"]Well that’s not necessarily true(for at least farming). As it is right now, farmers in America can barley compete with the farmers from Canada. When farmers in the US have a bad year, we buy produce from Canada. If we didn’t have cheap labor (immigrant labor), the farms in the US would crumble to Canadian farmers. The prices of food really wouldn’t go up all that much, but we would lose capital.
I really don’t get why your concerned. Can someone explain? i really dont see any problem at all with this.[/quote]
I am concerned because if you know anything about politics, you know the Democrats get the women's vote. You know the Democrats get the minority vote. In 2060, when over 50% of the citizens are minorities, what is that going to do to politics? The very basis this country was founded on will be completely swayed the other way, and the conservative thinking and values will diminish. You can see it happening in the last thirty years, due to two significant events
1.) Vietnam
2.) Watergate
Those two caused the distrust in government, dealignment (the people's push towards the moderate middle, low political efficacy and the turn away from true party identification) and now everything suddenly needs to be changed, reformed, amended, legalized, etc. You could name a dozen controversials off the top of your head. IMO the conservatives are the backbone of what the country was founded on. Its the judicial activist liberals who are trying to bipass the Constitution by dismissing original intent (however "accurate" it may be). Regardless I'm just skeptical about the situation once we hit 2060. I see America just becoming completely different from what it is now, and what it was formed upon.

Illegal aliens aren't all digging ditches and picking crops out of the ground. A large number of immigrants get a fake SS# and a work permit and work in industries and businesses. Many of them even make a respectable wage. What it means to our government is that they're paying taxes, but won't claim themselves for obvious reasons. So the government gets free money, no refunds necessary in a tax bracket that typically gives all or the majority of the money back assuming it were a legal citizen. It's a lot of the reason that we had no motivation to boot them in the first place.

They aren't taking our jobs. They're being given them illegally. It isn't right, but the government isn't going to bail us out of it. It's up to us and always has been.

If you don't want your job threatened by an illegal alien, don't whine about it. The best person for a job is the one that will work hard and more importantly [i]will work smart[/i], legal or not. That's all your employer is going to care about. If an illegal immigrant thinks he can walk into my office and do my job better than I can, he's more than welcome to come try. Nobody is taking my job because I've worked hard to attain the knowledge and the experience to be as good as I can possibly be in my field of work. The reason this country became the superpower it is is because we work(ed) harder than anyone in the world to get where we are today.

If we were capable of enforcing a law requiring us to pay illegal immigrants as we would anyone else, it kills the incentive to hire them in the first place unless they'll do the job better than you do.

The only way to get America out of the toilet is to develop common goals and have a society full of people willing to work hard to achieve them. That's what made us a great country. The reason for our current decaying state is the fact that we're all stepping on each others toes. Welcome to the melting pot.

Joe, will you have my child?

Well put man. As normal the good old boy from OK is showing thru.

I agree with the later posts. I'm doing a report on Political Correctness for a class right now and it seems a lot of the problems ARE stemming from the Equal Rights type movements. I am FULLY supporting of all equal rights for all people everywhere on Earth, but people take it too far. I agree that women, blacks, purples, yellows, greens, and everyone of all sizes and shapes should have the same rights as everyone else, the SAME, not more or less. Still, we need to have tolerances and patience for other people and not automatically feel we're better than them.
The whole Political Correctness thing irks me in the sense that we're losing our rights and it's becoming socially acceptable... PC is sort of lumped in here, but it's another issue entirely. So I'll leave that at that.

Most of these issues will just never get resolved because people are just not open minded enough or concerned with comprimising and RESOLVING the issue, they are more concerned with making a stink over something.

Joe, you know I had a very similar thought the other day after watching news footage of a murder that occurred in rural Nebraska. A husband and wife in their 60's were shot dead in their farm house for no apparent reason. It turns out that their nephew was upset that they would not rent a house to him. It made me think "Why has our country experienced such significant problems during the past 40 years?"

Of all the problems you listed I think violence in America is what bothers me most. I know that illegal immigration causes numerous problems, but when the citizens of our own country are killing each other for cars, money, etc. it makes me wonder what has gone wrong, and how can we fix it? I don't share your opinion regarding some of the reasons for "moral decline" that you posted, but I do share the same sentiment.

Maybe what makes America great also makes for its downfall. Our strong sense of independence seems to have crossed the line into selfishness, and we appear to have no regard for other's rights. I wish I had the answer but I don't.

BTW, violence and many of the other concerns you listed were increasing exponentially before President Bubba got a hummer :D

They don't even believe they are illegal, they just are immigrants. If they don't have the documentation allowing them to be in this country legally, they are illegal immigrants.

there not immigrants there illegal aliens immigrants are the ones who do it legally.

Well put Joe