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Post by cargodz »

ok this is gonna be a little political... so you're pre-warned, but I gotta b*tch a little bit.
Did anybody see that Ohio had to separate smoking bans on the ballot this year?
Issues 4 and 5
Issue 4: supported by the tobacco industry (yes), but was what they called the common sense smoking ban. This kept the ability of choice in the business owners hands (i.e. restaurants, bars, pool halls, bowling alleys, etc.).
Issue 5: Flat out smoking ban in all public places (all of the above mentioned).
Issue 5 passed yesterday by a slim margin, and honestly I don't think most people were thinking ahead.
Some time ago the city of Toledo tryed a smoking ban and a lot of small business lost business and some closed entirely, and now it's going state wide. Everyone I spoke with about issue 5 said "I feel so sorry for the people that have to work in those smoke filled environments." with little knowledge of what is about to happen... now you won't have to worry about them being in the smoke filled environment at work, cause they'll be out of a job.
How do I know this is going to happen you ask?
Well my wife, daughter, son in law, and I are on a bowling league...
or should I say were on a bowling league, because now that we won't be able to smoke there we are dropping out, and I'm sure that many others will too as 99+% of our league are smokers. What about the non-smokers you ask, cause you're sure they like bowling too and now will have the ability. Our bowling alley has always had times available everyweek when the entire place (with the exception of the bar that is in a separate room) is non-smoking for kids leagues and non smoking leagues.
Now I really feel sorry for all the people that worked in those places.

By the way I don't endorse smoking... It is a bad habit that shouldn't be started.
And my daughter and son in law are actually not just dropping 1 league of bowling like us. They bowl on 3 different leagues and are dropping all 3. :sad017:
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Post by audiobass10 »

Yeppppp..it's been like that here in FL a few years now. Restauarants and other places you mentioned def. suffer by not having the smoking option.
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Up here in Lucas county is really gonna suffer. We have more smokers here than in any other county in the entire U.S.
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Post by Ryan from Ohio »

See here is the confusion, two smoking bans.

So you got to vote for one, right?

Wrong, you didnt.

I voted NO on both smoking bands. I voted YES for raising the minimum wage, as nobody can live on $5.15...

Yes the Toledo smoking ban put out and hurt a LOT of business's. It helped out ones around Toledo however...

So now if I understand this right, its illegal to smoke anywhere in public?

Im not a smoker, I dont like to be around it to much. But I am all for peoples rights, and business's choice. If I goto a bar, I KNOW people will be smoking... I know I dont have to go also...

Stupid people... I can see it getting overturned in 6 months...
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Post by Scarrell »

so you are going to quit bowling, well the league i should say.. because you cant smoke? im sorry i guess?... i hate smoke.. HATE IT... my mom(used to before her heart attack), my dad, and my sister(used too) smoke... but me and my 2 brothers dont.. i NEVER have.. and never will.. its gross.. i cant stand it for any reason at all.. i mean i let my friends smoke in my car, but i tell them i prefer them not too.. i really cant feel for you, since i really despise smoking, i could just go on and on about why i dont like smoking... if you are SO dependant are a meaningless cancer stick, then that is sad.. do you know how much money you would save from not smoking? plus, look at what all is in those things.. :sad017:
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Post by cargodz »

Ryan from Ohio wrote: Yes the Toledo smoking ban put out and hurt a LOT of business's. It helped out ones around Toledo however...
So now if I understand this right, its illegal to smoke anywhere in public?
Right. No smoking anywhere no bars, pool halls, bar n grills, bowling alleys, etc.
And yeah the ban in Toledo did help out surrounding communities that still allowed smoking all they had to do is put up a sign that said "Smokers Welcome" and most did, but now what... go to the next state?
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Scarrell wrote:so you are going to quit bowling, well the league i should say.. because you cant smoke? im sorry i guess?... i hate smoke.. HATE IT... my mom(used to before her heart attack), my dad, and my sister(used too) smoke... but me and my 2 brothers dont.. i NEVER have.. and never will.. its gross.. i cant stand it for any reason at all.. i mean i let my friends smoke in my car, but i tell them i prefer them not too.. i really cant feel for you, since i really despise smoking, i could just go on and on about why i dont like smoking... if you are SO dependant are a meaningless cancer stick, then that is sad.. do you know how much money you would save from not smoking? plus, look at what all is in those things.. :sad017:
As I stated... I don't endorse it, and by the way if you don't want smoking in your car... I never will. In fact quite often I will go somewhere with my cousin who is a nonsmoker and I do not smoke in his truck.
Actually that is just what I'm saying... It should be the owners right to say who does and doesn't do what in his/ her business... That's what really bugs me.
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Post by Ryan from Ohio »

Its about respect.

My GF smokes (trying to quit :rolleyes: ).

The other day she belw her smoke into my face... Not good...
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Post by Chris from Washington »

I'm probably the biggest non smoker there is, but WA is currently a smoke free state, and I really think if the business is a place where kids don't belong. Then the business should have a choice if they want smoking or not.

Let the market decide, I would just not go to a place where smoking is allowed. that would be my choice.

If kids are allowed in the building then it should be smoke free.
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Post by Scarrell »

well that is different.. but i dont think you should quit something you love/like.... those places arent "for smoking".... its just something you are/were allowed to do..
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