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I came across this while searching for my system:
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fus ... uct_ID=445

Its VERY VERY cheap. What do you guys think of the qualtiy though? I plan on running some 100 RMS CDTs in my front stage and a sub with the last 2 channels. 250w sound sgood consideirng my budget, but what do you guys think?

Also came across this

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fus ... uct_ID=454

Anyone have good experience with Phoenix gold, I know they're good, but not great. What about the Octane R line?

Also, what sub should I get?

PG announced some time back that they're leaving the "high end" portion of car audio and going into mainstream chain store marketing (think audiobahn) so based on that, I'd be wary.. but if it does what you want and it's in your price range, it should do the job.