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I love arguments...

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:37 pm
by Jonathan
http://www.epinions.com/content_1367258 ... ow_~allcom

:D I'm franklin289, BTW. Just felt like calling someones BS :D

You may want to read the review to fully understand-these kind of people sicken me and should be rid of the audio world altogether. Take a look at the "10 biggest lies in Audio" post to understand what I'm talking about :fing02:

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:44 pm
by Bwcad1
wow... what an ass

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:45 pm
by Jonathan
Me, or him? :D I'm wondering what his next reply will be, I'm sure it'll narrow down to nit-picking. I'm sure he'll claim the "golden ear" status, something along those lines of "MY "superior" ears can hear it, but the only reason YOU can't is because you're not as much of an audiophile as I am". That's usually what it turns into.

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:13 pm
by GlassWolf
like you need to ask

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:46 pm
by JeremyC
I think I remember that review. It was pointed out on ecousticsa while ago. Suprised you waited so long to call him on it.

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:08 pm
by Jonathan
It's just that I'd rather see somebody pushing Boss and Audiobahn saying it's the best (not knowing it), than some "golden-ear" with a superiority complex blabbering on things he only half-ass knows about. That's the reason the car audio industry is in the hole it's in now, and the reason SQ participation went down the tube.
GlassWolf wrote:like you need to ask
I've been accused before :) Usually in discussions such as this, I do tend to be rather blunt.

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:02 am
by Ryan from Ohio
I guess you need to pick and choose your fights. It looks like you chose that one.. lol

I dont like to argue or debate much more. I know what I know, and think what I think. Guess Im just getting old and cranky? lol

:sm29:

But just bitch slap this fool for talking down on the W7. Its an awesome sub!

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:58 am
by GlassWolf
I considered posting a reply to that thread but I figured he'd opt for the "certifications and degrees mean nothing" argument, or he'd go on spouting off his incorrect views on things claiming he's the only one who knows right from wrong, so I ended up not bothering.
The terms he meant regarding amplifiers were transparancy and coloration. I could link to numerous sites and pages such as R Clark's challenge, my own papers, geolemon's writings, and plenty of sites like BCAE, but in the end what good would it do? Sure amps have different levels of quality and we've had this discussion before, but kept within operating specs, at exactly the same power outputs, you won't hear a difference.
If he has his own shop, sells JL, and still doesn't know how to build a proper box for his subs, that explains a lot right there. Apparently he's just one more of these idiots who run shops with a bad reputation doing crappy installs and overcharging customers for the work. This is one reason I usually hesitate to suggest someone have work done at a shop unless they know for sure the shop does quality work..
All professionals aren't created equally.

On the other hand he could be blowing smoke, and may be some 19 year old punk who's never worked a day in his life, which would be indicative of his behavior and attitude.

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:19 pm
by Jonathan
His other comments humored me.

"Not all amps are built the same smart guy... and guess what- THEY ARE TUNED."

As if they're tuned for a characteristic sound :lgh Apparently he doesn't know the inconsistency of transistor manufacturing and the necessity of gain-matching.

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:49 pm
by GlassWolf
they aren't all built the same, which isexactly why they aren't tuned.. also why I like amps built with all MilSpec 1% tolerance parts (read: old Orion and PPI, and modern higher end products) as opposed to that power acoustik/soundstream crap he's pushing in that review. I need to make a window sticker with Calvin peeing on Soundstream with a caption that reads, "I got your stream right here!"

If all amplifiers came "tuned" you wouldn't need an input sensitivity adjustment, bass boost, level adjustment, or really even a crossover or slope adjustment knob. All of it would come "tuned" and preset from the factory.

A perfet amp would be transparent to the listener. amplification without any coloration, so that would moot his argument for different amps revealing different characteristics of the sub as well.

that guy is just ignorant and refuses to learn, like many in the world.