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Ben Milne wrote: It got possessed today. I don't know what is exactly up.

Other than that still doing it's job.

Ben Milne wrote:
There's just so much to do the deck a simple RCA issue took quite a while to diagnose and work around.

The deck just does SO MUCH it's really tough to deal with sometimes.


Putting the average guy in front of this thing and it takes a few minutes to explain how to switch tracks and he spends more time fiddling with the deck than listening to music which is what we want him doing in the car.

...I don't think this is something we will sell after the group buy.

I think to effectivly sell this product in the USA URAL needs someone more capable than Elemental Designs.

Hmmmmm

Anyone?

hahahha

you mean... they're addmitting to suckage?

And what was the flack we were getting about "flaming it just because eD is carrying it it, If JL/RE/Adire carried it you'd be all for it and yada yada" It proves to be too much to be packed in a DIN size unit, as I and others said. But it must be pretty bad if eD doesn't approve of it.

What's funny is the people on that forum have blindly put their money into preorders for this unit, and are now asking Ben about the quality. To find out it sucks enough that they're going to drop it isn't the most comforting feeling in the world.

"I think to effectivly sell this product in the USA URAL needs someone more capable than Elemental Designs at this point in the transport market. Without the ability to service it or the tech notes we can only do so much to support it. We aren't stocked up on metra install kits and walking someone through a head unit installation on the phone takes forever. We're just not set up for it. We didn't design the unit and playing middle man just means we don't control much and hand the unit over to the customer, can't support it really, and take a small cut.

Good idea in this unit. I think I'll make some suggestions to URAL about some people who can better represent the product in the USA like sounddomain and try and put them together."

Translation: We don't want to be stuck with the warranty claims.

Come on Johnathan, it's because eD is known for their superior design and customer service and to even think about selling something so mediocre to their loyal customer isn't something they are prepared to do... God, it's not like they are some crap whole company like JL, or arc...

Yes, eD has made an excellent decision by allowing Image Dynamics to build their subs for them and CDT their components (not sarcasm on that one, BTW). I'm sure eDs award winning tech support and their reputation will take them to the top, after all, who wants an original product when they can get a relabeled version?

I believe I've figured the car audio world out for the most part, though, particularly most internet forums (not this one ). There are a handful of companies that manufacture speaker parts. A couple hundred audio companies saturate the market, buy stocked parts from these few manufacturers, stick their label on the speaker magnet and woofer cone, then form their marketing chutzpah in order to convince you that their version is better. After discovery of such product, people buy this product for the purpose of achieving distinction. People then spread word to the corners of the earth so that others can have their opportunity to achieve distinction . Dedicated car audio brand forum is established. An army of supporters develop and post on dedicated forum in order to promote product.

Person asks subjective question:

Joe Blow: "How does <insert "mainstream" brand> compare with <insert boner of the month>?"

"Forum member 1: NO! <mainstream brand> is SOOOO bandwagon! Buy the <forum boner>!. "

"Forum member 2: NO! <mainstream brand> is SOOOO bandwagon! Buy the <forum boner>!."

"Forum member 3: NO! <mainstream brand> is SOOOO bandwagon! Buy the <forum boner>!."

"Forum member 4: NO! <mainstream brand> is SOOOO bandwagon! Buy the <forum boner>!."

"Forum member 5: NO! <mainstream brand> is SOOOO bandwagon! Buy the <forum boner>!."

Months pass, product sells well, brand becomes popular, person gets pissy because the company "sold out", product then becomes overpriced, overrated, and said person searches for new, distinctive product.

so for here..


good point.

(edited out to avoid pissy attitudes!)

Note my paragraph and winky face, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence. Basically, I assume no liability for any responses generated due to my previous post

On a more serious note, I haven't seen a lot of it from this forum. Most opinions I've seen are influenced by experience instead of what's hot right now.