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I usually dont get into this kind of crap but I have a personal intrest in this:

Matthew Rich wrote:
Originally Posted by Matthew Rich
Hey Brandon,

As a dealer of Ology audio products I simply want to tell you what's
been going on and why you should never deal with Adire audio again.

on 10/6/2005 I ordered a fully custom 6.5" with 13mm one way, 93db/w
efficency, 100w RMS, etc (as you know since you're the dealer)

here's the exact email message from dan@adireaudio to me:
"Matthew,It's $120 for each - custom machined protos are expensive...
You can send the check to:
Adire Audio
2006 196th Street SW Suite 102
Lynnwood, WA 98036
Or you can call and place the order at 425 778 9663.
Dan"

that day I called in the order... 13 weeks ago now

his exact words on Oct 1, 2005
"Once the price and spec are accepted, we can build a prototype.
Prototypes take 4-6 weeks to build."

no "it might take 4-6 weeks"... they TAKE 4-6 weeks!!!!

I never even bothered Dan or Adire at all until the 5th week... when I
requested an update via email

on November 12th, 2005 I received an email from Dan after asking for
status and it simply said "we're working on VC's now for testing and it
will be another few weeks (3 weeks)

so I didn't even talk to him about it... till two thursdays ago...being
the exact 11 week mark!!!!!!

he told me this exactly:

"Matthew,
Sorry for the delay, my chief engineer had some personal issues to
resolve and I had to cover his role these last few days. Anyway, I
should have those drivers going out early this coming week."

fine... early last week... sounded ok and forgiveable as he did
apologize for the first time and all!!!

well I call him wednes (MIDDLE of the week) and he says:
"well he's copper plating the motors right now, but it's almost done"

I asked specifically if it would still be shipped out that week (last
week) and he stated yes!!!

come friday took 100 phone calls from 3 different people to get ahold of
him "it'll be shipped out today overnight!" he said!!!!!!!!!!

monday TODAY... no package (should have arrived saturday) no news...
over 200 phone calls today to Adire... no answer.... 4 voicemails and
NO email responses

it's OVER plain and simple... any manufacturer that wants to treat
customers this way will inevitably fail miserably

the lies and all this... and on top of that XBL2 isn't even that
great!!!!!!!! it requires far more mms than underhung... has ridges in
the BL curve and is EXPENSIVE to make!!!!

our prototype will be done FAR better by end of the week early next
week... and ADIRE can take a several hundred thousand dollar order loss
and cry into their pillows

anyone EVER thinking of doing business with adire in any way should
seriously reconsider... not only is dan a complete and total jerk
sometimes... but the take advantage of their customers like some time
of megalomaniac

Matthew Rich
President Ology Audio LLC

* from CAF: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/showt ... ge=1&pp=15

But wait theres more!

Fenadil wrote: Feandil
Member


Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 54


it's in fact not fake....

however I didn't particularly feel this needed to be posted for all to see... but in retrospect I'm glad it did and respect Brandon's right as a dealer to do it

nothing in that email is confidential... and all of it is true...

Matthew Rich

Ology Audio

any questions email Dylan or me at [email protected]

* from Elite Car Audio: http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/showthre ... did=124040

Some of you may or may not know Fenadil. This is the retard that can only hit 138's with 2 18" RE SX's... Hes also the retard who tried ripping people off on E Bay with some home made speakers and claiming they were $20,000 remakes or some BS. He lied and tried to deceive bidders and people on CAF.

Now this douche bag owns his own Audio Company?

I just want to bring this to everyones attention!

hmmm i have an idea wolfpack audio my buy something and now that im legal i may sue for false advertising! lol jp

im getting a demo of one of the drivers so ill see how it actually is. its suppose to be top notch but well see by around the first of the year.

Devin,

From whom? Ology?

Fenadil is the owner or part owner of that company. Kiki can tell you a few things about Mr. Fenadil on the technical side. Speaking on the side of common sense this guy is a total idiot.

He actually HARASSED that Mike Wright guy. Sent him all sorts of emails and stuff...

He had a set of speakers on E Bay he tried like HELL to deceive potential bidders on. Then he had the nerve to say he was doing nothing wrong.

Then he complains about Dan @ Adire because they are obviously having some difficulties doign what they want to do.



They claim XBL^2 isnt good and blah blah blah. If thats so why the hell whine about not being able to invest $700,000 into buying Adires OEM style drivers?

Fenadil is a true idiot. One of the people that are venturing into areas they shouldnt...

they have had my Tempest for over 6 weeks.. and they said 4-6 weeks, i gave em a call and they told me i would get it around the 14th/15th of Dec.. well.. its the 20th.. goin to call em soon...but for the most part, once i get it, i will probably sell it, remember this is the brand new 05-06 model or whatever they are.. so...

hes just sending it to me to test out and if i like it i can buy some if i dont i send it back. im getting it from fenadil himself. abra is going to work for him too so i guess well see how this goes.

"They claim XBL^2 isnt good and blah blah blah. If thats so why the hell whine about not being able to invest $700,000 into buying Adires OEM style drivers?"

And if they get the mid in tomorrow, they'll be XBL^2 whores all over again.

I don't really agree with the engineering of this driver anyway. Here are the specs of the proto. And I quote:

"The standard mids will have the following cosmetic features:
black banana pulp cone, black foam surround (lighter and better performance at close to xmax than rubber... Shouldn't fall apart like the oldschool foam since it is treated), black rubber gasket, and polished aluminum phase plug

Re: 3.25 Ohms per voice coil
Le: 0.09 mH per voice coil
BL: 8.6 N/A
Mms: 8.9 grams
Sd: 126 cm^2
Cms: 0.75 mm/N
Fs: 61 Hz
Qms: 3.4
Qes: 0.30
Qts: 0.28
Vas: 16.7 liters
Xmax: ~12mm one way (8mm of FLAT BL… Gotta love XBL^2)
SPL: 93 dB @ 1W, 1m"

But there's more.

"We'll have some comparisons in a week or so with distortion etc. compared to the likes of W series Seas (*EXCEL*), Scanspeak Rev's etc.

I won't be doing the testing... independent tester Mark K will... but I expect them to beat all the other speakers he's tested... so for this speaker for $cheap...

These will extend to about 6khz without any added distortion products and 10khz pretty flat."

Here's one problem:
"black banana pulp cone"
->"Mms: 8.9 grams"<-

An 8.9 gram PAPER CONE 6.5" midbass driver. That thing is going to be as floppy as an 80 year old man that ran out of Viagra. I don't know why audio companies don't get the concept of ENERGY STORAGE. Everybody oohed and aahed at the Focal Audiom 6W midrange drivers at their debut. It seemed like a good concept, high efficiency midrange, mms of 6.6 grams, relatively low inductance, high efficiency, high power handling. The result was that it was decent (and only decent) at producing midrange, requiring enormous amounts of tuning to sound anything close to natural, and sounded like trash above 2khz because of huge resonances due to the lack of damping and lack of rigidity.

A flat frequency response was the determining factor for SQ...In the 70s and 80s. Time moves on. Then drivers like SEAS Excels come out. And they blew other cone drivers out of the water in transparency, clarity, detail, neutrality, sounding almost like an electrostatic. Why? Because they are a rigid coned driver with no edge resonances up to the resonant peak around 5khz. They have low energy storage. Electrostatics possess the same characteristics because the diaphragm is lighter than the air it's coupling to, which means air damps the driver more effectively. Many times energy storage won't show up on a FR plot (not bad anyway), but the difference has proven itself to be hugely audible.

Then, everybody is going to get a boner over 12mm of excursion from a 6.5". The problem is that most people are going to slap the driver in a door, and the driver has a Qts of .28. It's going to have weak low end due to the driver being underdamped. It has an Fs of 61hz, which is relatively high due to the light cone, and the suspension leads the driver to be optimal in either small sealed or ported applications. If you put it in a small sealed box with a .707 Qtc, it's going to drive the system resonance well over 100hz, probably closer to 120 or 130 (don't feel like plotting it to verify). Then you get a nice 12db/oct rolloff below that point since the enclosure will keep excursion constant below resonance, which defeats the purpose of 12mm of excursion anyway. A ported enclosure will also defeat the purpose of a 12mm x-max since the port will limit excursion at lower frequencies. There aren't a lot of ways you can get around it having a weak low end, in a car anyway. It may be average, but why waste the copper?

Furthermore, if he thinks that thing can touch a SEAS Excel for distortion, he may as well go back to the drawing board. I don't see this driver being a lot different than the Extremis for distortion, in fact I'd say it will likely be worse due to the floppy cone. And overall the Excel spanks the Extremis.

Well put.