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hey since you've got 4 pages worth of changing your system and mind around here.. could you outline what you're looking at right now for me so we can get caught up with what you've decided on, or are considering so far?

I can't keep up with all of this. You should really just narrow your scope a bit and focus on a few selections instead of trying to compare everything you can find. You'll spend years trying to do it that way. There's just too much out there. Easier to pick a brand or a specific product, or have someone who knows the market lay out a system for you, then fine tune it from there.

Hopefully this will help.....................maybe

I agree with glass, on the single 12 thing. I ran a single 12 in my last two stereos, and really liked the out come. Its cheaper, lighter, takes up less space, and if you use good quality stuff hits pretty darn hard.

u guys know me im all about 1 sub setups trust me 1 sub can get really loud! at the same time it sounds just as good without multiple subs. There much simpler! 1 sub one set of wires on box one amp! so simple yet yields high gains

I too have gone the single sub way and it is the only way for a sq system imo. Too many times in the lanes I have heard judges say "Bass overkill", "too much bass", and it always seemed they were talking to people with 2 or more subs. Weird.

Okay sorry for the confusion. Here is my outline:

I have pretty much decided on my amp, it will be a Kicker KX550.3. It will be refurbished becasue a few people have recommended to me to get a refurbished one.
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_3586.html
That is it right there.

Right now, I'm looking for a sub to match it. I've got one so far: Diamond Audio D312D4
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_5527.html#
Which is pretty cheap for the price, but I don't know if I can find a better sub. I don't mind paying a little extra for a better sub. So I need some recommendations.
ALSO, I came across a Kicker CompVR 12", is that good? Same specs as that diamond except that I can get it on ebay for like $80 which is like $20 cheaper than the Diamond. What would you guys recommend?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_3407.html#

I also need a box for this. I'm looking at a custom job, but I'm not sure.

Speaker wise, I need 6.5 components in my front. I haven't really ventured into this yet but I've got a general idea of what I'm looking for. But any suggestions would be great. I have like $150 to spend on speakers.

I think that sums up everything haha.

ok that I can follow!

I'd go with a single resonant engineering SE 12" sub. It'd kick the snot out of both the treo and kicker for overall performance in my opinion, for around $200-250.
Stick it in a sealed fiberglassed enclosure for a custom look, very tight, deep response, and minimal space used.

For components, this will depend on budget, but $150 is a bit shallow for a good front stage. May want to bump that up a bit to around 250-300. The front stage is vital to a good overall system
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SEAS lotus, DLS, JL audio XR, focal perhaps.. lots of great comp sets in that size worth looking at.
Do you like a more "bright" aggressive sound from your vocals and treble, or do you want a smoother, more laid back sort of response?

JL will give you the brighter sound, where SEAS would be more smooth and silky by comparison.

I prefer the smoother sounding comps myself, for jazz and detailed or complex passages in classical/baroque, pink floyd, tori amos' piano work, and so forth.

single sub>multiple subs

So your saying that an RE SE which runs at 600 RMS will be under powered by like 200 RMS will sound better than an Diamond 400 RMS?

Yes, underpowering a sub won't hurt it. If it would, you would blow your spekers by simply turning down the volume.

As for the diffrence, 200 watts isn't that big a diffrence. Keep in mind that you have to double your power to gain 3 db. So at the most your only looking at a 2 db diffrence.

Now from what I have heard about the RE SE. Its a really nice sub, that can get pretty darn loud. So your loss might be less, especially if you put it in a well built ported box.

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