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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:05 pm
by geolemon
OnYrMrk wrote:I am partial to the K3P set...myself. :)
I don't know... I love the K2P's...
...but I can't help but feel they missed the mark with the K3P's.
Maybe it's in keeping with their target - trying to create more of a "rock on!!" kind of component set... but two 6.5" speakers to me is
1) awkward and difficult to implement in most cars
2) not taking advantage of a small cone speaker with higher Fs for a mid like traditional 3-way sets do
Personally, I do find myself highly liking small cone component sets - suffering only for lack of bass, typically - usually solved by the addition of a competent midbass driver.
That's not the formula with the K3P's, and I can't think of a good reason why not!

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:09 am
by Jonathan
geolemon wrote:I don't know... I love the K2P's...
...but I can't help but feel they missed the mark with the K3P's.
Maybe it's in keeping with their target - trying to create more of a "rock on!!" kind of component set... but two 6.5" speakers to me is
1) awkward and difficult to implement in most cars
2) not taking advantage of a small cone speaker with higher Fs for a mid like traditional 3-way sets do
Personally, I do find myself highly liking small cone component sets - suffering only for lack of bass, typically - usually solved by the addition of a competent midbass driver.
That's not the formula with the K3P's, and I can't think of a good reason why not!
I haven't fooled with the K3Ps (have heard the K2Ps), but I do know the older Audiom 6W midrange driver was a PITA to tame. They only used one layer of glass tissue and thinner foam in the sandwich to lower the mass, result was some nasty energy storage and resonant peaks and dips above 2khz. Took a lot of tuning to get that one sounding natural, and the matching Audiom TLR tweeter for that matter (<-fire-breather).
I like a 5" midrange (note I said mid
range 
) moreso than most 4 inchers. Most 5" midbass drivers miss the mark and end up giving you mediocre performance on both ends, but dedicated 5" midranges are lovely. Of course a 4" will have better dispersion on the top end, but not by a ton and IMO can't justify the typically crappy performance down low. Some of the best ones still have to be crossed around 300-400hz to get acceptable performance, but usually it's only 4" "midbass" drivers that can handle that low a frequency and they either suffer up top or are horribly inefficient to accomplish it. No free lunch in audio

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:34 am
by Jonathan
On the other hand, Aurasound has some attractive wideband units if you can get over the horrible inefficiency of them
http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index. ... 3615.13836
Those little 1" and 2" units are kind of cute if you were wanting to do a line array project in a car.
The spec sheet of that 3 inch mid looks pretty interesting, though, clean to around 200hz has an enormous bandwidth. Eff of 80db 1W/1M, it's definately a line array type of driver. Doesn't look like it has any bad cone resonances to have to tame either. The 4" is similar with more efficiency and a narrower bandwidth, from 200hz up to around 5-6khz looks like.
*EDIT* Just saw videos on realm of excursion:
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/brands/aurasound.htm
You have to admit- that little 2" looks pretty beastly playing a 20 hz test tone

It looks like a scaled down W7 or something

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:32 am
by OnYrMrk
well you never know, after a full season of competing, maybe the No7 Be will be in my forecast next season. Never know. I would also entertain the possibility of DLS too. BTW, I just scored an Audison SRX2 for my center channel (4" Utopia) for 150 and the Utopia for 75. I am stoked!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:59 am
by William from NOLA
$75 !!!
What's your secret?! :)
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:18 am
by GlassWolf
I'm using 3" midranges, and 1" tweeters for my front stage :)
little, baby speakers :)
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:04 pm
by OnYrMrk
Little baby speakers that put out big sound...I love those Dyn's.
getting the Utopia 4" from the Focal Rep, and getting the Audison from a friend who traded a Legacy 1200w for the Audison. Then said, hey, I paid 150 for the legacy, that is what I want for the Audison. SOLD!!! I am so excited.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:14 pm
by Jonathan
GlassWolf wrote:I'm using 3" midranges, and 1" tweeters for my front stage :)
little, baby speakers :)
I love mine. As long as you accomodate the higher x-over freq. you're fine.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:10 pm
by GlassWolf
hey I thought you had the system 340? I saw you mention the 360 as well. did you get both? is my memory bad?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:26 pm
by Jonathan
Had the 360 all along. Sold my truck, though, I'm debating whether it's going to go in the Ranger or a newer F-150.