KikiTheCat wrote:AMEN
Thank GOD someone finally realizes this is entirely about corporate greed and nothing to do with President Bush, OPEC, or the war. That misled view by the general public (of democrats) was really starting to piss me off. It's just pain ignorance or a lack of willingness to educate yourself about the state of current affairs and just buying into left wing media hype instead, because it's easier to sit in front of a TV and absorb anything people tell you like a sponge. No offense to present company of course, but I see a lot of this attitude day to day and it's usually by people who really have no grasp of politics, economy, or how things really work beyond the town they live in.
Gas here is $2.26/gal for regular unleaded.
Now try driving a car that takes a minimum of 93 octane and gets 5 MPG.
methalon/ethanol is nice, but even more expensive than race fuel.
mainly due to lower demand.
You also need to have the supply on hand or be at a track to get it. You can't pull into a station anywhere and refill a car running eth/meth fuels.
That's a major limiting factor. Particularly when you live in a rural area and it's a 20 mile drive to the closest town or gas station.
Once again, OPEC hasn't been a controlling factor in oil prices since the 1980s. The US gets less than 10% of it's oil from the middle east, and what the US does get, is used for heating fuel oil in new england. Most of the US oil comes from other sources now.
The war has nothing to do with oil prices, oil, or any of that.
The war is about trying to give some stability to one of the biggest hotbeds of terrorism in the world. The Middle East. Maybe you forgot about September 11th?
The more I sit here and think about this, the more I think we'd be better off just dropping this. I don't see anything of benefit resulting from this. Once everyone has an idea in their head of how things are, they rarely are willing to accept an alternate view.
your exactly right...I wasent complaining about bush...I was just stating that prices were getting kinda high around here and wondered how they were in everyone else's area...
KikiTheCat wrote:Once again, OPEC hasn't been a controlling factor in oil prices since the 1980s. The US gets less than 10% of it's oil from the middle east, and what the US does get, is used for heating fuel oil in new england. Most of the US oil comes from other sources now.
The war has nothing to do with oil prices, oil, or any of that.
The war is about trying to give soem stability to one of teh biggest hotbeds of terrorism in the world. The Middle East. Maybe you forgot about September 11th?
The more I sit here and think about this, the more I think we'd be better off just dropping this. I don't see anything of benefit resulting from this. Once everyone has an idea in tehir head of how things are, they rarely are willing to accept an alternate view.
Here in Oklahoma you can find Propane at most stations, alot of farm\oil field trucks (ironic isn't it?) run propane. its $2.05 here. Why do you think I still have the ole buick 350 instead of that big 455? I used to run a 355 chevy with 11.5:1 comp in my 65 chevy. couldn't get anything at the pump to stop the detonation and it only got 10 mpg. 15 gallons plus 2 bottles of stp or NOS octane boost. Yikes.
I just got back from a vaction we took to seaworld in San Antonio. gas down there was $1.85
yeah at 11.5:1 even with aluminum heads you'd need to run 100 octane plane fuel.
That's what I run at the strip, but I'm @ 11:1 so I can get away with 93 octane without much issue for weekend driving. If I went any higher for compression I'd have to go to 100 octane all the time @ 2.50/gal.
Bush has very little control over fuel prices overall. As heavily debated as the last election was and with Bush knowing it would be so close, you would think he would have temporarily released reserves just like Bill Clinton did before the 1996 election to get his approval rating up. That is about the extent of what the president can do by himself to drop prices, but it only lasts for a couple of weeks. The rest is literally an act of congress or the companies themselves. Many of Bush's ideas to decrease fuel prices have been shot down by Democrats, such as increased exploration and new refineries. People love to blame a President for the economy of today because he's the one on TV, but the President is one of the least powerful people in our government. There are plenty of untapped or capped off oil wells in America today, you just aren't going to be told about it by the media. Plus the fact that our vehicles haven't improved fuel economy since the 80s, in many cases it has gotten progressively worse due to the added weight of so called "safety equipment", plus a bunch of emissions control equipment which hurts mileage rather than helps it. A 60s Mustang or Camaro actually weighs about the same as todays Honda Civic, the 65 Mustang is actually lighter, and that is in V8 form with a cast iron engine and transmission. They weren't all that bad on fuel either, a base 289 engine with a 4 speed got 20 on the highway, that was with older technology, If you were to add fuel injection, an overdrive transmission, roller camshaft, electronic ignition, and a better exhaust system you could crack much more mileage out of it. Not to mention that car wasn't exactly a testiment to aerodynamics. Instead of actually helping matters, companies are choosing to offer Hybrid vehicles for a much higher price than what you'd pay for a vehicle that was engineered to get similar mileage to begin with. Electric motors, batteries, and the equipment to integrate it with a gas engine is much cheaper than it is made out to be and you better believe that Honda and Toyota are making a good chunk of money off these cars, and loving every minute of it. Greed has led to the demise of many great ideas for fuel mileage in the past, examples would be the Chrysler Turbine Engine, and also Ford designed a cylinder head in the 70s that was capable of supporting a 26:1 air/fuel ratio. Saying the typical car of today uses 14.7:1 ratio at it's leanest, 26:1 is a big jump and much less fuel used. The Turbine engine was a fantastic idea and featured very few moving parts, enhancing reliability and longevity far past what you'd get from any vehicle that today could spit out. I just hate to see what will happen when the EPA 2007 diesel regulations come into play, I used to want a diesel truck, but I'm not getting one until that number plays out.
exactly. Don't let the media tell you what to think. look it up for yourself. Alaska has a crap load of unused oil pockets that we can't tap because the liberal tree huggers want to save a a few trees, which won't be disturbed anyway. my 87 sububran still gets 20mog. a new one gets 12.
