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my local shop is ran by 2 old ppl that dont even know what a freakin agu atc or anl fuse is,they argued the amp i had wasnt 1 ohms stable and they sale the damn thang,they dont know jack,they even claimed a inline fuse of 50 amps would carry the amp i got that is 969 watts rms watts and fused at 120 amps.and i dont buy from circuit city or best buy,look on http://www.onlinecarstereo.com and http://www.sonicelectronix.com.i got my rf t5001bd for 229 bucks and my cvr 12's for 75 a piece,u dont get the manufactures warranties but u return it to where u bought it instead,u get a warranty on almost everythang except jl stuff

i like craigslist
good place to sell and buy stuff you actually get to meet people face to face.
never bought from either of those sites but ive heard some bad and good about them.
warranties are a good thing if you care about your investment. some people dont though.
i do i work to damn hard to let my money go to waste

if ur buying quality equipement most the time when it blows its the users fault,now cheap junk is a diff story

im just going to go on a personal rant here, as a shop owner, so dont take this too personally. i have no pity for someone who buys online and winds up with equipment that is incompatible or overrated junk. the reason i am able to offer a manufacturers warranty is because i have gone through the steps to make the manufacturer happy with the environment i sell in and the knowledge i have to install their product. a lot of wholesale places actually buy their products from retail businesses and sell them for very little markup, this does 2 things, it voids any real warranty and it doesnt guarantee the product will be there in the future, just for reference ramko dist. used to sell alpine, they were buying it sideways through a retail shop and then selling it to their customers who were technically either restricted from selling alpine due to dealer protection or there may have been another legitimate source that alpine designated as the distributor in that part of the country. the result? their supplier was found out and neither has alpine anymore, who do you think is going to warranty that product? noone......just food for thought.

its worth saving the money tho,i dont have the cash to spend on msrp,if i had to pay them prices i wouldnt hhave much of a system

i remember long ago in junior high buying an amp 1000 watts it said for something like 25-30 dollars i was young and dumb and thought omg this is the greatest deal ever so i got it. funny thing though the 40x2 amp i made in my electronics class in school was louder and sounded better than this super deal i eventually took it apart and saw the pitiful electronics inside the circuit board took up about 1/16 of the innards of the amp. it had some awesome features like fuses blowing up every other day no matter what. i still kick myself in the ass for that one

dang i know my brands tho

if its worth saving the money then you and people like you will be the death of car audio and mobile electronics.

also i have never met a dealer that sells at msrp.

Bwcad1 wrote:if its worth saving the money then you and people like you will be the death of car audio and mobile electronics. .

Ain't that the truth... Preach it brother Bill :happy055:

Bwcad1 wrote:also i have never met a dealer that sells at msrp.

And there's a ton of truth there too... You know that although the retailer may have to advertise it at MSRP doesn't mean they have to sell it at that.
Many manufacturing companies have rules about advertising below MSRP and an authorized dealer can lose his license to sell the equipment by doing it... but they are always allowed flexability in the sell for price

one dealer in my town sells every single thang in there store at msrp and they dont even know how to use a car radio,other store in town sells everythang in his store above msrp,the one i like to go to is 2 towns away,but gets stufff CHEAP got a 15 sx for 330 plus 10 for shipping and taxes,only down side is gotta go up there and pay b4 order is made and then whait for it to come in