Super Subs

Ryan from Ohio · Post by **Ryan from Ohio** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:51 pm

Same with this post, stay on track please for the life (and sanity) of me.

By "Super Sub" I am implying any sub that looks to have high xmax (usually high power also) and of good quality. So you wont be seeing any Power Acoustik MOFO junk in this post. So basicly the "best" sub from every reputable manufacturer.

Any sub reccomended as a Super Sub and appears to be that to me will be used in the project. THe goal of this post is to collect all the relevant information, not debate it.

You can debate untill your fingers are blue, doesnt mean the other person will agree with you. THis can even be the case when your right and the facts are there...

So please, on track!

spkrman · Post by **spkrman** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:59 pm

Ryan from Ohio wrote: By "Super Sub" I am implying any sub that looks to have high xmax (usually high power also) and of good quality.

so how in the heck did a CV stroker get on your list? lol... they move about 10-12mm on a good day :)

Also, you just put "treo" in the original post, is that to infer that ALL treo subs are "super"?

spkrman · Post by **spkrman** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:02 pm

btw, if thats the goal of the project...

Ascendant audio's atlas 15 and avalanch 18 would be near the top of the list for displacement for the buck.

That being said, displacement isn't really the biggest factor in how loud a sub gets... its install and effeciancy per what the application demands.

audiobass10 · Post by **audiobass10** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:17 pm

I understand you're looking for people's opinions on best bang for the buck subs. But, i dont really see a huge deal w/ debating over the subs. After all..it is a forum. I actually think it's quite interesting and somewhat informative to hear different people's insights on the subs and how they perform. Just my opinion. Maybe this "debate" could be moved to a different post and talked about there? Debate's are fun. No one should get angry over an online forum. It's all enjoyable. That's just my two cents.

daykareboards · Post by **daykareboards** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:24 pm

^^^ditto

spkrman · Post by **spkrman** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:35 pm

daykareboards wrote:^^^ditto

x2 :)

ridr4lif · Post by **ridr4lif** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:40 pm

im not here to argue...but for anyone who wants to see the soundstream sub...click on the link that spkrman gave in a previoius post and scroll down...ths sub is on the same page.

TEDD

William from NOLA · Post by **William from NOLA** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:42 pm

audiobass10 wrote:Maybe the death sub ur thinking of is the IA Death Penalty.

That's it!!! THANK YOU, I can rest now lol

Post by **GlassWolf** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:46 am

Everypne is welcome to their opinions, but really spkrman, if you're only going to post to subjectively put down half the speakers on the list without any decent objective data to back up your opinions, all you're going to do is upset others and gain nothing by doing so but enemies.

the Eclipse Ti sub has nearly identical specs to a W7, but with a much more rigid cone, and better SQ. I feel the Ti and Ti Pro subs fit nicely into the 'supersub' catagory, whereas the square solobaric subs are poorly designed, have relatively low excursion due to their design, have issues with lead slap and separation, and surrounds unravel or separate as much as the cuffs on the sleeves of a hobo. I see almost as many blown L5 and L7 and SoloX subs as I do blown Sony amps. My feelings on various brands aside though, my point is that if you're going to bash everybody's choices in speakers, you may want to at least offer some reasons for why you feel that way.

subs don't usually "blow" out of the blue. If you had issues with blowing H2s, maybe you should look at causes like poor box design or build quality, inadequate charging system causing amplifier clipping, improper gain setting causing amplifier clipping, or other things that are common causes of speaker failure.
I'm not a big fan of post-DEI buyout Orion myself, but the H2 isn't as bad a sub as you make it out to be, in my experience.

spkrman · Post by **spkrman** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:41 pm

KikiTheCat wrote: but really spkrman, if you're only going to post to subjectively put down half the speakers on the list without any decent objective data to back up your opinions, all you're going to do is upset others and gain nothing by doing so but enemies.

I suppose dbdrag world championships aren't enough to make the l7 a "super" sub?

But a stroker can be on the list? And wtf, an RFL??

the Eclipse Ti sub has nearly identical specs to a W7, but with a much more rigid cone, and better SQ. I feel the Ti and Ti Pro subs fit nicely into the 'supersub' catagory, whereas the square solobaric subs are poorly designed, have relatively low excursion due to their design, have issues with lead slap and separation, and surrounds unravel or separate as much as the cuffs on the sleeves of a hobo. I see almost as many blown L5 and L7 and SoloX subs as I do blown Sony amps. My feelings on various brands aside though, my point is that if you're going to bash everybody's choices in speakers, you may want to at least offer some reasons for why you feel that way.

The TI's are ok, I've heard some installs with them and they just didn't get all that loud. They weren't bad, but they werent so superb that I'd sell my car to buy a pair. Same goes for w7's. There was also a particular competitor that spent ungodly amounts of time and $ trying to get a TI loud... and it just never put up a good number. He could barely break a 40 with one 15 in a pretty good box and i believe approx 1500 watts... and he actually tried. Tons of tuning and such, and it just never worked.

I never said l7's were reliable, but they are STUPID loud for the $. They don't move a heck of alot, but they don't need to... My bud is doing a 150.7 with about 1000 watts to each or 2 12l7's in a ford escape at 44hz... and the subs take it just fine. He also had one of the loudest driveby vehicles in the state, topped only by me :)

subs don't usually "blow" out of the blue. If you had issues with blowing H2s, maybe you should look at causes like poor box design or build quality, inadequate charging system causing amplifier clipping, improper gain setting causing amplifier clipping, or other things that are common causes of speaker failure.
I'm not a big fan of post-DEI buyout Orion myself, but the H2 isn't as bad a sub as you make it out to be, in my experience.

The h2's that have smoked were all in the proper box... but as soon as they saw any clipping, they smoked. THats a bad design. I've sent more power for longer periods of time to my CVR's in less than optimal boxes.. and they held up fine.

What experience do you have with the h2's? I've installed/been a part of the installation in 3 totally different installs.

One smoked his with a 1200d, got another one... lasted for a while, then upgraded to a 2500d, and smoked it again. For some odd reason he's getting a pair of them now.

One the surround ripped off, on a 1200d, and its been kewl from then on.

One the guy only hooked up one coil to test and make sure the sub worked... and it smoked almost immediately.

Crappy designed subs... they are extremely unstable.

Either way... this "super sub" list is way to open, it needs to be narrowed down to things that are really loud and sound really good.... or are at the absolute top of either of those categories.