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GlassWolf wrote:word of advice.
If you want an amplifier of any sort of quality, you have two choices:
Fix a price in your mind, and find how much power you can get in a quality amp for that price, OR-
Fix an amount of power in your mind, and find out what a quality amp with that output will cost.
Never fix both power output and price together in your head, or in the form of a question on the web.
You're setting yourself up for failure with cheap amps by doing so most times.

that is the smartest thing i have heard in a few weeks.

i dont plan on competing in MECA or nothing, no..if i do compete at all, it will just be a small event, a shop is having..also, the 16cf was more or less a rough estimate.. now then, onto the "you pay for what you get", Glass, what you say is completely true.. but i have done research on alot of amps in that range(all i can do, no access to them) and talked to some guys who are knowledgeable(atleast enough to let me know Why these amps arent really that bad). and onto the 18"s.. i dont really know for sure what i want to do.. i wont really know til its not crappy out, and i can do some better measurements, and take out the back seat and all that.. i also understand high 140's on music is alot easier than 150's on music.. it just basically comes down too, ive always wanted to try a wall.. if i dont like it.. no big deal.. it was money well spent for the learning experience.. and the love for car audio.. the first thing i am order is the alt, then hu... hell i could change my mind completely by the time i get the alt. lol..

if your not going to compete you don't want a wall. there a bitch to drive with cause you cant see crap out your windows. ull get tickets for not being able to see out the windows. there expensive a pain in the ass to build and take's tons of time and effort. as far as 140 on music being easy there is a huge difference between 140 and 149. to do 149's bass race format you need to burp min 54's. and its a lot harder than most people realize. having a wall doesn't make you loud because its a wall it helps but its all tuning and time. but as i said if your not gonna compete i highly advise against the wall.

he doesn't have much trunk space to go with anything else......

I totally agree with what Bill said. Ever thought about doing a sealed off trunk install?? It can be made loud.

swimmerdude wrote:I totally agree with what Bill said. Ever thought about doing a sealed off trunk install?? It can be made loud.

i designed a box for terry that would run 4 15s in a 34x34x15 box. seal it off from the trunk and im guess mid to high 40s on music.

i know i can always turn the box around and deseal it off from the trunk, but this is a Saturn.. the max length across i can go is 33", so it clears the trunk bars.. the depth of the box i can go about 30", which is cuttin it close to the end of the trunk, and now onto height..


ok.. just went outside(and froze my harbls off).. did some measurements, for IF i do the trunk idea.. now then.. a small problem i have is that there is this lip on the rear deck, the box i have now fits right under at 14"



now then, if i cut that out, or bend it back whatever, i can gain about 17".. i did some calculating, and if i leave it how it is, i can get about 8cf (14x30x33) if i do the 17" i can get about 9cf.. obviously. my best bet is 12"s.. so if i do this, id probably do the 14x30x33 dims, which is plenty for two 12"s in my opinion.. and hopefully, ill have room to mount my amps in the back, otherwise ill make a neat little place in the car behind the seats, and ill put the battery in the spare tire well.. what do you guys think? two 12"s sealed off from the trunk.. same power, mid/high 140"s?

also, i have had many thoughts about the laws about being able to see out my rear window.. so maybe this is a good thing.. gosh.. so many decisions.. :help: !!!!! but hey, this could save me money too, lol..

What's the car your planning on doing this in... there may be a number of options that you haven't looked into yet, before deciding to wall it off.

Ok nevermind the car question (since you already answered)

What kinda room do you have in the back seat area (back seats removed)?

wow, i got in just in time, not even 2 mins after i did them measurements it started to sleet and now its snowing hardcore.. the car is a 95 Saturn SC2..

ok let me edit this, we seem to be replying when im editing and such, lol.. i have not take out the rear seats yet, weather is too nasty, i can get ahold of a friend and pull it into his garage and take it out and see whats going on, but i really need to make up my mind,lol.. for my safety and everyone elses, i Guess( )
ill go with a sealed off trunk, and work from there..



and here is where im at now.. 140.7 at 30hz tone..