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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:07 am
by Bwcad1
i dont drink excessivly i just want to point that out i may get drunk once a year if that infact this past weekend was the first time since my prom night over 1.5 years ago. but in all aspects i agree with jared

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:02 pm
by two4fifteen
i don't even smoke anymore, basically because of my job, but on side note my name (two for fifteen) is actually a nickname i got from an old dealer of mine back in highschool. Dimes were always ten bucks, usually we could get our one guy to do 3 for $25, but i was always broke with my friend and would come asking him for 2 for fifteen. He started just calling me that everytime i came to see him, cuz he knew thats what i wanted. Then all my friends just started callin me it, it was funny. He wouldnt even give the deal to anyone else. Sorry for the whole drug story, just felt like it suited the thread and why my name is what it is. so, ya....

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:06 pm
by Justin from Detroit1
Jared, until you do it, you can't comment on it. It hasn't even almost have similar effects as alcohol. You still have full control of everything you do. It's not like getting drunk where you wake up and have no idea what you did the night before. No one has EVER died because of marijuana. You CAN NOT overdose on it. How many people a year die because of alcohol? Somehow I can't fathom how alcohol is still legal but marijuana isn't. It's simply because the government can't control the production and sale of marijuana like it can with alcohol.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:08 pm
by Bwcad1
if a dimes 10 bucks y would you pay 30 for 2 instead of the usual 20?

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:15 pm
by lotas
edit: sry if there's repeats...three people responded by the time I posted this

Well with much personal experience with both, I will tell you that in my findings, and probably about 90% of everyone else, alcohol is more dangerous, more harmful, and has more effects than marijuana. There are 0 deaths a year from marijuana. I'm not saying people don't get stoned and do stupid things, but marijuana is not as harmful as alcohol. People are out of control when they are too drunk. You can blackout, you can die (alcohol poisoning, fights, car rides even if you aren't driving, saying the wrong thing to someone, doing something stupid you don't have control over). When you smoke, you do not think like that. Most of the time you are relaxed, you don't even want to go out and drive, unless it's to get food ;) . It is different for everyone I'm sure, and there are different kinds of marijuana that have different effects (high and low) but I have NEVER met or talked with someone who believes marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol.

I 100% disagree with the people who say that one is not more dangerous than the other. I don't think you can make that statement until you have done both. Not saying you can't argue that point until you've smoked weed, but it's like talking about depression if you've never had it, or never been close to anyone with it. You just can't do it.

I in no way state that marijuana is beneficial for America. I don't necessarily think anything "good" will come out of legalization, but that's not the way I would put it. I do believe crime will go down, because I have a half dozen "buddies" who have either gotten themselves killed in marijuana deals, or have been badly injured. That's just me, 17, and all of those incidents happened in the past six months. Imagine how many of those there are out there.

I think one way its beneficial is the relaxing part. I know some of you have had amazing stress in your life. Having a child at a young age, trying to make it on your own, depression, reationships, death, things you have to live with every day. Some people use it as a way to relieve stress and not worry about things so much. Some might argue that "Well it's just a temporary relief, they are only hurting themselves more and making themselves 'stupid' by smoking weed", but the concept is that you have to smoke a lot to get "stoned" to where you don't remember the night before, or to where you can't think straight, or to where you are just plain stupid. It's a way to drink without the unawareness effect, or a way to smoke ciggarettes without an addicion or health risk. Once again I'm not saying its healty.

Finally, I'd like to bring up Prohibition. One of the biggest failures in our government's history was the banning of alcohol. It was something that pushed the sexual revolution in the early 1900's. Speak-easies opened up, which were the "back alleyway" clubs that you could get alcohol in, dance, and rebel. I'd love to remember more concrete facts about the failure of Prohibition, but without looking it up again, that's all that's coming to me. The fact of the matter is that it was a huge failure. Are we making the same mistake with marijuana?

It is sad. I am a senior in high school, and it is far easier to get marijuana than it is to get alcohol. It is easier to get marijuana than it is to get tobacco.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:32 pm
by kevinberry1
Alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana both long term and short term, but marijuana is still dangerous to your long-term health. One joint has 20 times the tar found in a cigarette, which is a carcinogen (a cancer-causing substance). Marijuana does impair your reaction time and visuo-spatial perception, so driving while high is as dangerous as driving while intoxicated on alcohol depending on how much you smoke/drink. Also, they are both depressants, which means that they slow down your respiration and other bodily functions and also impact your mood.

The biggest difference with alcohol is its affect upon the lower portion of the brain (medula oblongota and pons) which help control basic human functions of breathing, walking, balance, and inhibition. The fact that people say and do "stupid" things while drunk is really due to disinhibition, or the inability to refrain from doing something that you think of doing, hence the poor judgement. Some people also experience hypermanic phases or "intense highs" after drinking, especially people with bipolar disorder. These people often engage in the most dangerous thrill-seeking behavior compared to the "typical" person.

While marijuana is by no means safe, it is much less dangerous than alcohol.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:35 pm
by two4fifteen
Bwcad1 wrote:if a dimes 10 bucks y would you pay 30 for 2 instead of the usual 20?
i think you misread....

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:37 pm
by sinister audio
thats pretty much it. when people get high up here we play video games or try to skateboard. when they get drunk they try to jump over bond fires and want to race their cars and many other things. even though fire jumping is fun even if your straight people do fall in and usually dont realize they fall in then some one has to pull them off.

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:39 pm
by Bwcad1
two4fifteen wrote:i think you misread....
lol yea must have been the weed lol

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:40 pm
by kevinberry1
One thing that is interesting is that marijuana does not appear to have any long-term impact on brain functioning. It does affect short-term memory, but studies show that after a month of not smoking weed the participants showed no more short-term memory loss :)

Alcohol, although, destroys brain tissue over time, especially the frontal lobe and basal areas. Individuals who drink heavily are much more likely to develop symptoms similar to Alzheimer's, with memory loss and language problems.

That being said, I still drink on occasion, just not too much :happy055: