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lotas wrote:I like and support Bush. Honestly I find myself very irritated when I see people who still have Kerry stickers on their cars, or who stand on street corners with signs, or "Impeach Bush" flags on cars and such. I don't understand if they didn't see who won the election, or what the heck they think Congress is gonna impeach Bush for...but...whatever.I think his two terms as President should go down as successful in the history books. I'd imagine its not exactly an easy situation to have your country "bombed" by terrorists the first quarter of the first term of your presidency, and I think he handled it well and America recovered well.

I'm sure you see more of those signs and flags than other people on here since you live in Washington, which tends to be a more liberal state.

I don't know exactly what Bush has done that renders either of his terms "historic" other than removing Sadam from power under the guise of false pretenses. There is Republican control over the House and Senate, and he really hasn't made any notable improvements in our country. Health care, the budget deficit, and educational problems continue to plague our county, and our economy has remained stagnant for the past 5 years.

However, if the Iraq transition of power goes smoothly and a democracy flurishes there I will have a different opinion. I will always support our military forces and hope for their safe return. :)

"removing Sadam from power under the guise of false pretenses."

yeah I mean it's not like Saddam's tyranical reign of power in Iraq caused tens of thousands of people to be put to death. It's not like he gassed the Kurds or anything. I'm sure Hussein is a perfectly nice guy who's just really misunderstood, and the US attacked him for his oil that we already had access to, and still happen to get less than 10% of what we use yearly from the middle east.

good call!

jonnyb wrote:well. kerry didnt run in 2000, al gore did.

yeah you know what I meant. I slept a few time since then.

KikiTheCat wrote: It's not like he gassed the Kurds or anything.

Now Kiki lets not forget his use of poision gas during the Iran Iraqi war.

FYI, I beleive it was Sarin gas he used against the kurdes, its some nasty nasty stuff.

I think i speak for the guy who was saying that Bush removed Hussein under false pretenses he wasnt saying that he didnt kill tens of thousands of people but rather we did propose to the world that the reason that we were going into Iraq was for the "Proven existence of weapons of mass destruction" end quote of George Bush. I am not a fan of Bush, but i have to say he has done well for all that he has gone through. Most people have a skewed image of the political parties as they are today due to the misleading media coverage, and i think that people who have opinions on our President need to make informed decisions on whether to voice them to the rest of the world. For all the Bush haters out there i would say u would need better reasons to hate him because most of the reasons are that he is a liar and that he brought us into a war that didnt need to be fought. This is untrue seeing that war with Iraq was inevitable due to our previous involvements. To the Kerry haters, dont be mean to the guy he lost and he is no longer seen on tv. Just figured i would voice my political side, and im not in it to fight with any one of course just thought i would get that off my chest.

jonnyb wrote:well. kerry didnt run in 2000, al gore did.




wasn't the first quarter, but still the first term

wasnt it in the first year he was president? 2001? first year out of a four year term = a quarter

anways doesn't matter.

Another thing that gets me is when I hear/read people say, "Oh my god I just watched Farenheit 9/11 and I can't believe it. I didn't know any of that...etc..."

KikiTheCat wrote:"removing Sadam from power under the guise of false pretenses."

yeah I mean it's not like Saddam's tyranical reign of power in Iraq caused tens of thousands of people to be put to death. It's not like he gassed the Kurds or anything. I'm sure Hussein is a perfectly nice guy who's just really misunderstood, and the US attacked him for his oil that we already had access to, and still happen to get less than 10% of what we use yearly from the middle east.

good call!

Wow, cool down Kiki :)

I never said Sadam was a nice guy, of course he was an evil dictator who killed his own people. The attrocities he committed occurred 20 years ago when he was an ally to the US, and we turned our back then because of our mutual dislike for Iran And you are claiming things that I never mentioned, like presupposing that the war was for oil (I never believed that argument) and you're saying "good call"? Now I see why you say political debates tend to get you emotional :)

The false pretenses used by this administration to justify war include over stating the presence of WMD's and STATING, not implying, that Iraq was involved in 9/11. They used fear and false information to avenge 9/11 by invading Iraq. It was good timing for the administration since they had been planning the invasion months before 9/11 occurred. Even 3 weeks ago when Bush gave a national speech he mentioned Iraq and terrorism in the same sentece 9 times. This is despite any evidece that Iraq or Sadam were involved. By his own argument it would make more sense to have invade Saudi Arabia because they actually have a connected to the 9/11 attacks.

Removing Sadam from power may be historic, I believe it WAS a good idea. I just wish that our commander and chief could at least have been honest and straightforward about his intentions. We went into this war unilaterally and now have to bear the sole financial and political costs.

here here ! lol

wasnt it in the first year he was president? 2001? first year out of a four year term = a quarter

did you click the link?
i meant that clinton had to deal with a terrorist attack in his first year too.. (oklahoma city bombing)

incorrect again. we invaded Iraq because Hussein threatened to use "his weapons of mass destruction" against the US numerous times.
We called his bluff and he lost.
his fault, his problem. We struck preemptively due to his repeated threats to use chemical and biological weapons against the US and allied countries. Please, if you're going to buy into the liberal naysaying, at least get your facts straight about why we're over there right now.

Thank you.

the thing i dont like about our goverment overall, is that most of the money they have is put into military uses. we would be better off if it was put into education. we need to stop being the world police, and focus on our own problems.