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6three6mafia6 wrote:alright so you can either make a new box for the solo 15(if youre happy with is spl and sq wise) and throw more power at it(if youre not giving it its max) or you can completly scrap that and do something else.


If you want to do something else tell us a budget, if you want to go the RE or ADIRE route(i great one might i add) depending on youre budget whe will choose to go with one.

You said youre ineterested on a xxx? great choice i own one, 2 things i got to let you know , youre going to want to throw more than a 1000 at it(for a single 12,15 etc) im giving it 800 right know from a kicker 800.2 and i got to put the gain and boost up to get it to were its loud for me(i got to clip it a little) so you dont want that , so youre gona spend on the sub(350-450) on a amp(250-500) and if youre car cant handle such a drain(160 yellow top) hopefully with that youll be ok if not HO alternator(200-500).

The other route would be a ADIRE route, they just released the new specs for all there subs and prices, you could do the brahmas wich are pretty close to the xxx and the advantage now with them is there gona get as loud as a xxx with only 600rms for a brahma(400-460). So youre gona save tons on money on amp,battery,alternator so youre looking roughtly at like 600$ for a single brahma and a 600rms amplifier compared to a xxx+amp(600+) maybe battery alternator(800$+)

so give us a budget and whe can work from there and if you want to do a better set up than the xxx you can do a single TUMULT and it takes 1000rms options options options.

damn thats the kind of help Im looking for...How would I be able to tell if my alternator will be good enough for the power? Cause I don't want to get the sub and amp and then find out its gona drain it too much then i gota buy a alternator..but arent the XXX's cheaper? Im not sure tho do you know the price lists for both brahma's and RE's?? what will be really loud but still have a okay sound qaulity? but when you say the brahma would only need 600 RMS to be just as loud as a XXX..wouldnt that go by how big and how much close the specs of the box is to the subs specs? so if I had the perfect box for the XXX wouldnt I only need around 600 RMS or is it totally different? just a thought, the rule of thumb is alot of the performance is from the box? correct me if Im wrong? any help is MUCH apperciated.. price range would be good enough to maybe get one brahma or one XXX but dont know what size will get me real loud and enough money to get a better amp.

It depends on what kind of vehicle you have for the alt. If you are driving a truck, you could "probably" get away w/ running 800-1000 watts rms w/o a problem. A smaller car, i would look into upgrading...altho this can be debated.

As for the brahma's and the re xxx's...there are product reviews for both subs in the review section of this forum. The prices for both are around 430-450 if i remember correctly. You will have to contact an adire dealer to find their prices and 2004 prices for RE can be found in the FAQ section.

The reason he is saying that a brahma can get loud is because William from Nola on this forum is running a jbl 600.1 to his brahma and is hitting 140.3 in a 3.1 cu.ft. ported box.

you can get away with running less power if the right box is used. But i would recommend at LEAST 600 watts to either sub.

TEDD

Hmmm...which one do u think I should get? brahma's or XXX's? It's probably only going to be one sub so Im not sure what size to get..but later on I'll get another one...for now I want something to really thump for just one sub ..

The 2 subs are almost identical. They both use XBL-2 motor structures. They both handle 1600 watts rms. The XXX has a little more x-max i think. So THEORETICALLY, the XXX has the ability to get louder.

TEDD

proof is in da puddin

the XXX does get louder once you stack on major power.. but the brahma is much much more effeciant.

Okay, so if I was to get one of the XXX's and then later decide I want another...will then I need to do something about my alternator? because of the watts coming out?

You will need to upgrade your alternator to keep up with the increased current draw IF you upgrade your amp. The more watts an amp pushes, the more electrical current it draws, and they draw a lot. So in order for your car to function properly (lights and things of that sort) you need to upgrade the alt. so that the charging system can keep up with the current draw of the car and the amplifier.

TEDD

ridr4lif wrote:his brahma and is hitting 140.3 in a 3.1 cu.ft. ported box.

141.1 dB*
3.1 is the net volume

ive got a XXX getting 1200watts and a jl 300/4 so I have 1500watts on my stock alt, which is 90amps i think, believe me it will not last long. I ordered my HO alternator last week because of all the group buys, its definetly needed. I was in a guys car last night and he had 2 18" RF, not sure how many watts going to them, but it was a Ford Explorer, so probably a bigger alternator than mine, and his lights were dimming like crazy.

If you are getting an XXX, you will *probably* have to upgrade your electrical system. You could start with just the Big 3 and a new Battery and see how that does, before you get a HO alt.

Find out the rating of your alternator right now, take a look at it under the hood, it might say on it, if it doesnt, look online or call up Napa or Autozone or somewhere, they should know. Take the total RMS of your system and divide by 12 ( to be safe) . That will give you a rough estimate (although you should add efficiency for class D and A/B) of how many amps your system will be drawing from your alternator.

You also have to keep in mind your stock alternator wasn't designed with car audio in mind, so about 60% of your stock alternators amps are going to the electrical needs of the car, its probably different for every car though.

Anyways, there's some things to think about. The Big 3 (if you were wondering) is what you call upgrading three wires under your hood. Cant think of what three it is, its the two battery wires, and the ground to the engine block or something, someone will tell you, or you could probably search for it.

For more alt. info, check out the FAQ section, the very first topic is about Charging System and Alternators, that should give you some good info too.

but when you say the brahma would only need 600 RMS to be just as loud as a XXX..wouldnt that go by how big and how much close the specs of the box is to the subs specs? so if I had the perfect box for the XXX wouldnt I only need around 600 RMS or is it totally different?

Im sorry let me clear that up the xxx is rated to take 1600 rms before you get into trouble with the coil, the brahma mk1 and mk2 are the same thing


THE NEW BRAHMA MK3 has received a shorter voice coil and is going to handle less power 600rms.So my point was that the brahma is now going to compare with the xxx with only 600 rms so thats why i was suggesting the new brahmas if you want to keep the electrical upgrades and expensence to a minimum, you could do a single 12 or single 15 and youre gona have a really banging sub thats gona be able to outdisplace many common pair or subs. Like i said post a dubget and whe will work with you.


Hey lotas you make it seem like youre car completly died with all that power what happened man?