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ya i just saw that not too long ago. ID is a great company and has great products and not looking to screw everyone for everything. and ED well they are ED. I also sent you and email asking you some more stuff about your subs.

Also, found this for your reference - thought it might be food for thought:

Someone on CAF posted this thread:
[url]http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/showthread.php?t=239248[/url]
regarding these subs:
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Image-Dynamics-OEM-Overstock-10_W0QQitemZ5874910473QQcategoryZ3291QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
...look familiar?

What I gather from the thread is that one of two things happened:
1) Elemental Designs rejected a batch of subs, possibly for a defect or design variance
2) Elemental Designs stiffed ID on a batch of subs

Which story you believe depends on who you believe, on that thread. I sure don't know which is true, but the Ed rep claims it is due to a defect.

Just thought it was interesting - but personally I wouldn't want to commit and then find this out later, if it was me, I'd rather consider it up front.

Well, they aren't "mine" techically - but they are a business partner of mine, so it would make me an all-around great guy if I helped him sell his subs, wouldn't it? :D

But seriously, the nice thing about these, too - if you are worried about which ones to commit to - is that I am sure I can get you reference after reference - his dealers absolutely rave about these subs, so you can feel a bit more confident that you are buying something that really represents what you want it to, rather than what 'some manufacturer' is of course going to promise you it's "going to do". ;)

That's always a scary scenario... believe me, I know!!! :D

ya i still might get yours too geo i just saw this offer and i thought id see if anyone wants these.

I sent you an Email btw...
These ID subs seem like a good deal, but at that price, I can't imagine they compare to what I sent you. :cool:
I could be wrong - compare!

I'd hit around 140 on an AC mic in the festiva and people would be yelling, "OK! OK! ENOUGH!"
heh mind you that was with great clarity, and very smooth, not harsh or fatiguing, but still.. I'd like to mess with people and throw in "Time" on dark side of the moon with four 5" mids, 4 soft domes, and 4 hard domes all which but two 5" were in the front doors anddash, then turn the preamp volume to about 3 o'clock.
When the alarm clocks chime off, you start feeling your ears for signs of bleeding. hahaha

i think 135dbs on the new term lab would be sufficent to 90% of the people who want some bass

yeah believe me 140dB is more than enough for a daily driver.. that'll blow most people who aren't hardcore SPL fanatics out of the car.

they are pretty much a IDQ with a stronger motor and more xmax.

I believe most IDQ 12's never have really gone above 140 dB easily in daily drivers (that would be with a pair). So there's an estimate for yall in terms of SPL. 140 is really quite more than enough for most systems.