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[quote="JeremyC"]Yeah thas something that crossed my mind when I first read his post. As much as he would love the way that focal sub sounds, it might not be loud enough for him.[/quote]

Yeah, maybe, maybe not.

The L7 should do him well, theres always something better out there, but if its going to do what he wants it to do then thats all he really needs.

Yeah thas something that crossed my mind when I first read his post. As much as he would love the way that focal sub sounds, it might not be loud enough for him.

I dont think hes going for an all out sound quality install here. I think if he gets the L7 and takes his time and does a nice install he'll be happy with it.

It really is all in the install. My buddy has a 12w7, it sounds ok, nothing special. I know what the sub is capable of, I also know with him doing the install it'll never be anywhere close to where it could be.

I've also heard kicker comps sound pretty damn good, actually that install probably had the best sub sound stage I've ever heard (granted I havent heard alot of sound quality type set-ups.)

The point is, you give your [b]average[/b] joe a nice sub, say JL w6, and then you give him a kicker L7, you probably wont see a big sound quality difference between the two...

I think it's really in your high end install where high end equiptment will really shine. And your right, gary biggs could probably make the L7 sound amazing, and your also right that he could make a W6, or any other sq subs sound even amazinger.

For your average joe though... Ehh, probably not a huge differnce.

Its been said a million times before, but bares repeating "it's all in the install"

or [quote="Bwcad1"]Take my bet lets see. ill install it and we both know that i dont have Gary Biggs sq ear. you are an exception to the rule because you are an sq fanatic. and L7's are not geared tword you. there for the typical guy who wants great output and over all good sound. i take your point about how many have been installed by the level and put that right back at you. how many people who have installed them actually know what your talking about? or how many of "them" could tell the diffrence.
You maybe able to tell but i gurantee you 98% of people on this board cannot.[/quote]

Now were on the same page. Kicker has came a long way with them since they came out in 98 or 99. The failure rate has gotten better and they have worked out a lot of the problems with cone flex and failure that the first ones had.

I think more people could tell a diffrence, if they had a better system with proper tuning to use as a refrence.

But that bringe me to my next point. How many people that run kicker solos actually take the time to adjust phasing, time alignment and x-over points so they get a balanced FR, and relative phasing around the x-over points.

Without proper phasing at your x over points the front stage and subs are not going to blend togther. Causing the subs to be very easy to locate. Your also going to run into problems with your FR especially if your x-overs aren't spaced and sloped properly. Screwy FR can cause the subs to sound muddy, especially if the peak is amplified by the cabin gain of the car (a problem I had with my W7).

So yes I can agree with you, they are a decent sub for the average listiner. But most people, given a chance to listen to a better refrence system could tell a diffrence, especially if the L7s were not properly tuned.

EDIT: Hey CP my original comment about you liking the way they sound was a joke, but I'm still willing to debate system tuning and SQ if anyone is interested.

The kicker 12" L7 is rated at 750rms, the 15" L7 is rated at 1,000 rms.

I've heard a few different set-ups with the L7's, they didnt sound too bad. Honestly, from the sounds of it I think the L7's will suite him just fine.

I did a 135.2 with 2 12" cvrs and a jbl 600.1, but the box WAS HORRIBLE, way to freakin big. Then I sold the stuff to my cousin, built him a 4cuft box tuned to 35 hz, it was a good bit louder and sounded pretty dang good, and looked decent. We took it out to carpet it, and then somebody broke into the garage and stole the box, subs, and the kicker amp. They left the jbl amp, pioneer headunit, kicker components, a other stuff alone...

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The system consisted of:

Head unit: Panasonic CQ DF903U
Front stage: kicker k65.2 componets, mids in the doors, tweeters in the dash location.
Rearfill: stock, faded most of the way out.
Subs: 2 12" kicker comp vrs (4 cuft tuned to 35hz.)
Front stage amp: kicker 250.2
Sub amp: Jbl 600.1

It was my first install that I really put effort into. The others ones were decent, just not as clean.

It sounded really good for what it was.

ah i c... Yea i might overpower that sub though with the amp if I run dual 2... Damn Im so torn...

Joe your sub WILL sound the best, no doubt... But I don't know if I want to spend the money to purchase that... Im guessing around $275-300...

I just got done reading about some guy who had a 12" Kicker L7 in a 2 cuft vented enclosure and also had one in a sealed 2.75 and said the both sounded good with a good deal of power going to them... I have lots of options here...

I guess these are the 5 options I am looking into...

1. Focal 33V2
2. Wolfpack Audio Sub
3. Kicker L7
4. Alpine Type X either 10" or 12"
5. Kicker Comp VX 12

V1 is single VC..V2 is dual either 4ohm or 2ohm...the 2ohm are much more rare

Oh I c... Thats pretty nuts 132db on one 12? Thats pretty good. 2.77cuft sealed too huh? Hmmmmmmm Well to be honest... Thats plenty loud for me my truck hit 134 i think at the comp I went to with 2 12" pushing 800w each...

I will definitely take it into consideration when looking into possible purchases... If you want to shoot me a PM with a price that would be cool

BTW whats the difference between the v1 and v2?

Cappy, the sub is not K2 Power...I only gave 500 when it was new. It is a 33V2 dual 2ohm VC

It will handle 800 watts, will get down and dirty in the right ported box and musically, it is outstanding. It is NOT an SQL sub...it is an SQ sub...IOW...it won't shatter records, but your ears will love its output.

In a 2.77cf box sealed, I hit 132db. Not bad for sealed, and I had actually 900 watts to it. I am told that this woofer can hit about 138db in the right vented box with the same wattage. Like I said, it won't shatter the windows, but it will soften your heart to the ways of SQ.

Well Bill considering I probably can't tell the difference... what would u suggest then... The Lower output L5 Dual 4ohm and run it at 1100w or the L7 Dual 2 Ohm and run it at 1600w?

What is the smallest size box i could get away with either sealed or ported and still maintain some good bass and crispness?