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Watching Baghdad Bob was pretty funny though :)

nist7 wrote:"Let's call it Operation Iraqi Liberation"

"No, let's call it Operation Iraqi Freedom."

"Good idea...you just saved my butt."

Let's call it the Iraqi war! Oh wait, then we have to abide by the laws of the Geneva Convention regarding treatment of prisoners. Therefore, it's a 'conflict' or 'operation'

"Let's call it Operation Iraqi Liberation"

"No, let's call it Operation Iraqi Freedom."

"Good idea...you just saved my butt."

i think APC addresses this great with "lets start a war"

kevinberry1 wrote:even ignored detailed reports regarding possible airplane attacks on U.S. buildings.
I think our country learned a lot from our history of Middle East relations, and hopefully will learn from the outcome of our current 'military excercise'.

While FDR was president, the US, along with other countries, broke Japanese code saying they were going to bomb us, we just didn't know where (well we thought it was going to be in the Pacific Islands near Japan and Australia, where we were). 'possible attacks on US buildings' is pretty vague imo

Bass I don't see us going to war with North Korea. As much as I would like to see him go, I don't expect it to happen any time soon. The reason I say we won't, I know how nasty it would be if we did. We have been going thru alot of exercises in the last year getting ready for a huge inspection. I even got extended a week past my normal one year tour so i could help. We aced the inspection bye the way. When we go thru these types of inspections we practise just like the military beleives war with that person would be, and so you can only imagine what it was like considering the stuff he has stashed up there.

Another reason I don't see us going to war with the north, his son. His son doesn't seem to follow the same beleifs as his father. If this turns out to be true it will be a great thing for the Korean people, both north and south, when he takes control.

IMO kevin the Iraqi war wasn't about the terror bombings, I never said that. Yeah our goverment beleived they had WMD, and I wish we would have found more than the few mortor rounds that were filled with sarin that we did. I also know of a few situations were missions were changed to take care of a serious threat to the troops. If the intel that changed those missions was being fabricated by Sadams regime to divert our assets I don't know. But I do know he was an evil dictator that needed to go. He had used sarin against Iran when he was at war with them. He even used VX against HIS OWN PEOPLE after the first Iraqi war. Thats why northern watch and southern watch were started. To protect his own people from him. Not very many people realize we were still sending troops to the Saudi, and Turkey 10 years after the first gulf war. The fact is billions were spent to keep a constant military threat in the region so the kurds and some of the other tribes of Iraqi could live freely.

IMO the reason the other countries didn't want us to go to war with him $$$$. He owed France Germany, and Russia billions for the oil for food program. Most of which was spent on his palaces, and not for the people that needed it.

One more thing Kevin. Thank you for adressing your beleifs in a relaxed manor. I know this is a situation alot of people feel strongly about. So it is easy for things to get out of hand.

WHile it has costed great sums of money and precious lifes we are better off with Sadam gone.

The real question is- Who is next?

Syria, Iran & North Korea I am sure are on the list. But which one first...

I say North Korea. IMO we havent been paying enough attention to them. They are probably still hellbent on bringing a war to us on our soil. SOmetimes I just wish some dumb country would. They would probably be shocked at the amounts of people that would simply pick up their weapons and fight...

The fact is Clinton sat on his butt and let things building to the point we are at today. There was numerous bombings, and terrorist attacks, and all he did was launch a few missiles and called it a day. We needed someone to put his foot down, and show the world we mean businesses. IMO that’s were Bush came in.

So the Iraq 'war' was to address concerns related to terrorism and bombings? I don't remember how Iraq was involved in either. Was Sadam an evil dictator, yes. Did he mistreat and even kill his own people, yes. Did he have a good relationship with Donald Rumsfeld while killing his own people, yes. Much like Osama, Sadam was our 'ally' until the conflicts we were concerned with were over (Russian/Afgan war, Iran/Iraq war). There were no WMD's and no connection between Iraq and Al Quada, period. Remember who was involved on 9/11, almost exclusively Saudi's and NO Iraqi's. This war began on false assumptions and pretenses, and it was recognized internationally as such. The allies began to bail after it was determined that the information the U.S. had, which we used to justify war, was false.
The problems are very complicated and go back much further than the Clinton years. Did you think during his administration that Al Quada should be a priority? W wasn't concerned with them or terrorism until 9/11 and even ignored detailed reports regarding possible airplane attacks on U.S. buildings.
I think our country learned a lot from our history of Middle East relations, and hopefully will learn from the outcome of our current 'military excercise'.

First I want to say thank you to every one who is supportive of the military. I don't care if you support the war, or Bush; it is my brothers in arms that need your support the most. So thanks again.

Fishy, I grew up in Tulsa, but my parents live up by Claremore.

Nist7, I agree it would not be a good thing for us to do. But it would be funny to see the reactions from some of the countries on list 2.

Audiofreak, Thanks for the support, and I am glad your cousin made it back safe. I know what you mean about good and bad stories. My best friend is in the Army, and was in Iraqi the same time I was. We got to talking about things, and my group and his group were so close together in battle, that I actually launched the F 16 that blew up on of his helicopters that had crashed. I think the weirdest thing I experianced was launching out a plane after the pilot showed me on a map the area he will be bombing, and then see that same area get hit on CNN. Its weird knowing you had a direct hand in something like that. So I can only imagine what it would be like fighting up close and personal were you can see the other persons face. Thanks for the platinum member ship idea. Its funny I asked Kiki the same thing when I first joined, but honestly $10 isn't anything when it comes to supporting this forum.

Ridr4life, thank you too. But the war fighters today wouldn't be anything without the guys who fought during world war 1 and 2. I was given a book a few years back from a world war 2 vet. It went into details about all 4 of his beach landings, and all 7 of the major battles he was in. Those guys made the real sacrifice, I only hope to make half the difference they did.

Lotus, before I start this is my opinion, based on what I have seen and experienced myself. So if anyone would like to further discus this feel free to PM me. I promise to be open minded, and not try to change your mind, as long as you do the same for me.
I support Bush, and the war. However I don't agree with everything Bush has done, or every decision that has been made in regards to the war. The fact is Clinton sat on his butt and let things building to the point we are at today. There was numerous bombings, and terrorist attacks, and all he did was launch a few missiles and called it a day. We needed someone to put his foot down, and show the world we mean businesses. IMO that’s were Bush came in.