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by Jonathan » Fri May 05, 2006 9:42 pm

Now to get the ball rolling and dig into the good stuff :D This tutorial will start to cover general theory into system design.

Running a lower crossover point

I'm doing this one first because this one benefits those that plan to install in stock spots. This tutorial applies to 2 way applications. A typical vehicle will have 6.5" or 5.25" midbass drivers in a low door location. When you are attempting to design a speaker system that will work from factory locations, the first thing you have to take into account is the extreme off axis nature of a factory door location. The drivers side door is the worse of the two, often being 60 degrees or even more off axis to you. The passenger side mid will usually be off axis, but less so than the driver side.

The main benefits

You are limiting your midbass drivers to a region where they retain good dispersion. This is critical for getting good imaging from off axis locations such as factory door spots. From there the tweeter takes over, which has much better dispersion than a midbass driver would within that intended range.

Car doors tend to create reflections, aka standing waves. Not really just car doors, but enclosures in general. This can especially be a problem in the upper midrange region and a lower crossover point can help combat some of these problems.

The lower the crossover frequency, the less lobing is an issue. Lobing is a fairly complicated phenomenon and is better defined as a form of destructive interference. To keep this part of the tutorial simple, as the crossover frequency becomes higher the problem worsens. The effect of lobing is cancellation at different axises. As a side note, generally the shallower the crossover slope, the more severe the effects of lobing.

The basic summary is that lower crossover points allow you to get better off axis performance from a speaker system, and that is critical when you're talking about installing speakers in factory spots.

In case you're wondering which conventional car audio manufacturers tend to show this design theory, you'll typically find it from mostly the more expensive offerings of high end manufacturers:

Dynaudio
Morel
DLS (2 ways)
Rainbow Audio
SEAS
Focal (some cases)
MB Quart
Boston Acoustics

Keep in mind those are just a couple of examples.

The tradeoffs of this design

The limitation really ties in to a statement that I've made numerous times :D :

Most car audio equipment sucks

In this case, the tweeter is really the limiting factor. A wussy compact neo dome isn't going to do any justice with a 2khz acoustic crossover point, much less a 2khz electrical point. They don't have the motors, the rear chamber, or the flange design to cut the mustard. There are some notable compact car audio tweets that do a pretty good job at it, but none I've seen can match the performance of a well built large flange tweeter. It boils down to the fact that it's easy to build a tweeter, but extremely difficult to build a good one. Mounting a 1.5" deep tweeter with a 4" flange isn't on the priority list of most. Even if you can, the lower the crossover frequency, the more you limit the high volume capability of a tweeter. Excursion requirement quadruples with every decreasing octave. Meaning a tweeter crossed at 2.5k will have to move 4x as far as one crossed at 5k. With that comes added distortion, especially at high volumes.

One of the bigger tradeoffs is that if you want a tweeter to perform better down low, that means a larger tweeter. Many of them are 25mm (1") or 28mm (~1 1/8") designs. When you use a tweeter this large and put it off axis, top end dispersion typically suffers.

Another tradeoff is that you're crossing over in a more "critical" frequency range. Our ears are most sensitive in upper midrange and ideally we'd have one driver performing the critical region. Some, including myself, question that argument at times since our ears are most sensitive at 4khz, and most 6.5" midbasses don't sound great running that high to begin with. Or at least they don't sound great compared to what could be covering that region- a good tweeter or midrange.

by car1990 » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:23 pm

Jonathan wrote:Frequency dependant. How do you have the drivers installed, especially the tweeters?
T/A of the woofers should help your imaging (especially center image). Your tweet will benefit from bothj T/A and level adjustment given the lower x/o point.
Woofers on the bottom of door panel and tweeters on A-pillar pointing at driver.

by Jonathan » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:14 pm

GlassWolf wrote:done and done.
Thanks.

by Jonathan » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:12 pm

car1990 wrote:Jonathan,

Since my x-over region is about 2K for woofer and tweeter, for imaging purpose, I persume the bigger impacts will come from adjusting time-alignment of woofer (ITD) and adjusting SP gain on tweeter (IID)?
Frequency dependant. How do you have the drivers installed, especially the tweeters?

T/A of the woofers should help your imaging (especially center image). Your tweet will benefit from bothj T/A and level adjustment given the lower x/o point.

by JeremyC » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:40 pm

Personally I would do both. You might not notice the change from the time delay as much, but your tweets will still be playing below 2K. So its definatly not going to hurt.

by car1990 » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:20 pm

Jonathan,

Since my x-over region is about 2K for woofer and tweeter, for imaging purpose, I persume the bigger impacts will come from adjusting time-alignment of woofer (ITD) and adjusting SP gain on tweeter (IID)?

by GlassWolf » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:35 pm

done and done.

by Jonathan » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:00 pm

Part 2-The Human Ear

The above relates mainly to our ability to localize sources in the horizontal plane , which would be a center image, stage width, etc. But how do we localize sources in the vertical plane, which gives us our perception of stage height?

HRTF

Defined above. It is our heads and ears that allow us to perceive stage height. Consider the anatomy of the human head, though. It is essentially a sphere with two holes in the sides. Which means that sounds of ALL directions, from ANY point source could absolutely NOT be localized vertically by our ear canals alone.

The Pinnae

Outer ear, again described in the last tutorial. Our perception of stage height depends solely upon the frequency modifications that the shape of our outer ears create. Look in the mirror. Obviously the shape of your ear would cause frequencies to be modified in different ways from sources of different heights.

This relates to two points above, HRTF and Expectation. Our brains remember how our ears modify given sounds, and due to this memory, it is how we perceive stage height. Meaning that if a sound comes from below you, our brain has predetermined what characteristics a sound from below would have. And the same applies to a sound emanating from above.

What frequencies are important for stage height

The dimensions of the outer ear can only have an effect upon frequencies above ~2kHz. Which means frequencies below that point can be physically low and still be perceived as high. That is assuming the 2khz and up region is high or is perceived as high ;) )

The most important point of this post: Our ears do not perceive physical height, they perceive the frequency modifications that our ears make upon sources of different heights.

What does that mean in your car? It means that you have to replicate the characteristics of a high stage.

Second point: Your drivers (even tweeters) do NOT have to be physically high to have stage height

One way to get stage height would be to make sure frequencies above 2khz are physically high. BUT, what about tweets down low, such as doors or kick panels? If you tune your tweeters to replicate the frequency characteristics your ears would have if they were mounted higher, you will perceive just as high a soundstage That's a BIG point. It means that if your tweeters are low, you can tune them to replicate a frequency response associated with a higher source. A lot of times you reap the benefits of not being directly beside a reflective surface as well.

Later on I'll try to give more specific info on where to tune to accomplish this, but I need to finish all the primers ;)

Also, Glass, with this ever expanding thread, I think the FAQ title should perhaps be something other than choosing component systems. It's turning into a SQ tutorial in combination with choosing equipment. And hopefully in the end it'll help the guys that already have their system and want to improve upon it.

by OnYrMrk » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:41 pm

i went poopie

by solacedagony » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:36 pm

It generally does following a Jonathan post... lol

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