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I feel you're better off with a narrow dispersion tweeter in pillars, while a wide dispersion driver would be more optimal somewhere like kick panels. I feel that's the main reason that cars using Focal and Quart tweets are so successful in competition. I've seen some competitors plug up the phase plugs in Quart tweets, which effectively kills the off axis dispersion. Food for thought.

You know golemon was telling me the same thing about the focals off axis. He loves the way they sound of axis when installed in the A pillars.

Man I need to get off my but and finish tha accord.

Yeah, the TN-52 is the better tweet from the Focal compact tweets, excluding the Beryllium tweet (though whether it's "compact" will depend on your judgement).

The TLR was a good tweeter for imaging due to those waveguides, but it was harsher and difficult to get sounding natural (compared to the TN-52).

I highly recommend the TN-52's, that is what came with my K3P's. Excellent sound difference as compared to the TN-47's that came with the K2Power KF's

There's nothing really missing unless you want to delve into the world of processing/equalization :)

Temporarily hooked up the XR tweets, and I have to say wow...enormous staging improvement. The funny thing is the smoothness of them was a little uncanny considering that they were about an inch away from windshield and a metal dashboard, perhaps a product of the midrange drivers being so high. Rule #1 in car audio: Throw conventional logic out of the window. Seriously, though, I'm thinking about going with either some Focal TN-52s or Quart QTD's in this install. The TN-52s combined with the Excels would be a brutally revealing combination, to say the least. Should be able to get them sounding really smooth and detailed, though, I've learned that poor off-axis performance may actually be [i]desirable[/i] with tweeters in A-pillars since you can reduce side bias as well as reduce early reflections :)

cool. Am i missing anything i should add to my system to complete/enhance it in your opinion and if so what and what brand model.

My system:

Pioner Premier DEH-P860MP
CDT-HD62 component set
PPI A600.2 / 150 x 2 @ 4 ohm bridged for frontstage
Arc Audio 1500-XXK / 900 watts rms @ 4 ohm bridged for SUB (ID MAX 12)

If I upgraded in the future and didn't get that Alpine DVA unit, I'd probably end up getting the Clarion DRZ. That's a VERY nice head unit.

I'm about to go experiment, though. I've got some JL XR tweeters laying around and I'm going to see if it can improve the stage width. I'll give an update. I just can't wait until these Excel mids get in..that'll be a HUGE improvement.

Geez man, I said the Eclipse was working :lgh

Seriously, though, I downloaded the OM to the Premier and saw that it can run 3 way active like the Eclipse can, just didn't see them mention it on the website. So if the Eclipse does die on me in the future, it'll be an option.

But right now it really doesn't have anything to offer me over the Eclipse. I've already got T/A, 5 bands of PEQ for the mids and another 5 for tweets, 3 way active crossover, 3 pairs of 8V preouts, yada yada, you know the deal since you've already had one.

[quote="OnYrMrk"]I like that Premier unit, wish I hadn't spent for the eclipse 8455 at times, then I listen to my car, and that thought goes away[/quote]

that was my thought. id never replace my eclipse with a pioneer that would be a very bad thing to do.

Jonathan, heres the one i am currently using and its been outstanding. Offers a Auto EQ and Auto Time Alignment feature that really impressed me once i completed it. [url]http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4041_64496601,00.html?olderModel=Y[/url]

Auto EQ
Finding the "sweet spot", or optimal listening position, is complicated by sound's reflection and damping, as well as variable speaker positioning in the irregular shaped confines of a car. Such conditions tend to degrade frequency characteristics. Auto EQ automatically fine-tunes the entire range of the music's frequency bandwidth, using 13-band graphic equalization for front and rear speakers. Simply plug in the included microphone and let the frequency band fine-tuning go to work. It;s like having a sound engineer customize your in-car sound system.

Auto Time Alignment
Pioneer's innovative Auto Time Alignment automatically shifts the soundstage in front of the listeners, bringing out the vocals in the process, to create the optimal in-car reproduction of your music. Using the included microphone, it estimates the delay from each speaker to the listening position and adjusts the speaker sound output timing accordingly. The output timing for each speaker is adjusted precisely so that the sound from each speaker, wherever it is installed, reaches the driver's ears at the same time, thus optimizing the listening experience.

Hi-Volt (6.5V) Pre-Outs
If you decide to connect an amplifier to the DEH-P860MP, its three Hi-Volt (6.5V) pre-outs will deliver a clean, powerful signal path. The higher the volts that a pre-out provides, the better the signal strength to your amp, and then your amp doesn’t have to work as hard. These Hi-Volt pre-outs help give you better dynamics, crisper highs, and big, deep bass.