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by MobileAudio219 » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:43 pm

This is why I'll stick with my old junkers... Every vehicle I've ever owned & sold (which is lot) I've made a profit off of, you just can't do that with a new cars...

I'd rather buy an old junker and make it into something nice, then to buy something nice and turn it into a junker, which is something 99% of people do... :confused

by veggie-man » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:40 pm

hummm very informative!

i was thinking about in my economics class because i did my current event on how all the GM plants are getting cut and how there are sooo many jobs lost, that they should put a biggg tax on cars if they arent made 100% in the US. lets just say a car cost 20k.. tax it to be 25-27k. i'm not sure what they could do for the resale or anything but i'm sure someone could think of a method.

the only thing is i'm quite sure that wouldnt work because then EVERY country would boycott every product from every country.... but at the rate that were going...its not looking good. i was reading an article, it said that GM would be bankrupt in 1000 days if they dont layoff ALOT of employee's. that really sucks because thats soooo many jobs (no idea what the numbers are). that really is hurting our economy!

by Jonathan » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:10 pm

"why is it bullshit? is it because their car wont break down causing them to win every race? haha i heard something like that accually.."

Actually, plenty of teams last year went the entire season without blowing a single engine. Toyota is already in the truck series, and it's Ford that has won all races thus far. It isn't really the fact of competition.

It's bullshit because it destroys all the heritage that NASCAR had to begin with; they were the last true American motorsport. NASCAR started with a bunch of moonshine runners taking bets on who had the fastest car, in which the competition eventually led to the beginning of stock car racing. Not something Toyota was ever a factor in. Toyota doesn't have a heritage in this country, it's been about vanilla sedans and compact trucks ever since they've been here. They've never really had any engineering breakthroughs, nor wowed anyone with a car design because their method is to play it safe and try to improve on someone else's engineering. They're hurting this country more than helping. Japan puts a cap on how many vehicles we can sell over there, we should have done the same. Nascar isn't really what it used to be anyway, so I guess it's irrelevant. Maybe with the Mustang, Challenger, and Camaro making strong comebacks, we can see some Trans Am racing come back :happy055:

I guess I'm a bit sour because I have a lot of friends that work or used to work in Doraville (GM Plant). I don't like seeing them scramble to trying to sell their homes, their cars, their furnishings, or go through the stress of finding new jobs, new homes, and new cities to live in before their contracts go out. Count in the other GM plant closings and the Ford plant closings, I can only imagine what these people are going through right now. If they aren't already gone, they're under huge stress getting ready for it. Nobody buys based on principle anymore, it's all about market hype and the cheapest price.

Most "imports" are built in the US or North America at least, but they still don't employ nearly as many people as the domestic manufacturers do (in percentages either, mind you), nor do they funnel their profits back into our economy as much. Most goes right back to the motherland, and with a weak yen our dollars are as good as gold. That's why their profits have skyrocketed. This page pretty much sums up the whole situation http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/bamw/ba ... 7-gm.shtml

"I can't remember the exact number, but I believe 25% of a vehicle or so that is made in america is considered domestic. My Corolla is 75% american made."

In the 80s this was true (like the old Korean built Festivas and such), but not the case now. They're about even.

by William from NOLA » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:40 pm

I can't remember the exact number, but I believe 25% of a vehicle or so that is made in america is considered domestic. My Corolla is 75% american made.

by Chris from Washington » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:37 pm

The Tundra is being built down in Texas I think

by veggie-man » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:35 pm

William from NOLA wrote:Because it will be the only non domestic brand in the ring. NASCAR is traditionally domestics only.
ahhh that makes sense.... how did they end up sneaking their way in? does it have to do with them having a manufacturing plant inside the US? (not sure if they even do)

by William from NOLA » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:27 pm

Because it will be the only non domestic brand in the ring. NASCAR is traditionally domestics only.

I wish we could go back to the days where auto sales were based on the race victories :)

by veggie-man » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:25 pm

Jonathan wrote:I've heard it's confirmed that Toyota will be in the Nascar Nextel cup series in 2007-which is bullshit. Pissed me off hearing that.
why is it bullshit? is it because their car wont break down causing them to win every race? haha i heard something like that accually.... but consitering i have never watched more than a combined time of 15 seconda of nascar in my life i really have no clue :)

by Jonathan » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:16 pm

"I was really looking forward to it's release too, I heard all the rumors about it actually going to compete with the f-250."

The F-250 is about to get a HUGE chassis update and a 6.4L Twin Turbo Powerstroke diesel. This statement:

"Finally, Tundra will ride on a new rock-solid chassis platform with 30 percent higher tensile strength steel. "

pretty much proves it isn't going to be competitive. Maybe competitive with the F-150, but from the underbody shots of that Tundra, the F-150 frame is still massive compared to it. It's one thing to brag about horsepower and torque, but it's meaningless if you aren't able to control what you're pulling. The best truck to pull with isn't always the one with the fastest acceleration or the highest torque output, it's the one that keeps it's composure when you pack 8-9000 lbs of trailer behind it (or more if you have a HD truck). That's where Ford and Dodge have excelled over the years. Put a lot of trailer behind a Tundra or a Silverado and it gets downright scary, even with the Silverados rating being above 10,000 lbs with the 6.0L engine.

Toyota was thinking about the HD market after seeing how this full size does. But they and Nissan are finding out very quickly that this isn't an easy market to crack, especially saying Americans haven't had a reason to stop buying domestic trucks. If they went HD, I doubt they could sell 50,000 units, if that.

by Chris from Washington » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:54 pm

I thought this post said 2007 Tacoma; I was thinking wow it's out already.

I like the 06 Tacoma, and wouldn't mind having that to go along with the 4Runner.
But then by the comments you guys were posting that I realized you said Tundra. I really don't what they were going for with this new Tundra.

I was really looking forward to it's release too, I heard all the rumors about it actually going to compete with the f-250. Which maybe it can, but they made it just so unappealing to most Toyota owners.

The interior looks too Nissan, why did they go with that modern plastic fantastic look? One of the things I love about my 4Runner is the interior, very nice and luxury looking, yet holds up well. Then the exterior looks like a crossbreed of a Ford and Dodge.

Hopefully the 08 gets a better interior.

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