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by geolemon » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:32 pm

No problem - it's interesting, each visit we have with guys like Brian Schmitt, the tips and tricks...
...and if you look at the cars that are built for things like CES, by manufacturers with $200,000 and $300,000 (and more!) install budgets... it's not "stretch and frame" fiberglassing that's in those cars, it's "wow, how did they make that OEM-looking custom stuff??" - OR - "how do they get all those pieces to fit together, in that super-complicated panel?"
...and this was probably the biggest way, I've seen.

Anyone see Fishman's install at CES, the "Fishedition"?
See all the built-in cubbies and holders for his personal goodies? ;)

by Ranger SVO » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:26 pm

Really does not sound difficult at all. I might be giving it a shot here in the next few days. I really appreciate you taking the time and explaining the basics. I think i can do this.

But for now, I've got a ton of home work. I need to get it done for tomorrow.

by geolemon » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:46 pm

OK, the technique is pretty simple, I'll leave most of it for you to ponder... but the concept is simple:

You can "trace" any pattern (or actual unit to be installed ;) ) with a flush trim bit - bearing rides the pattern, cutter cuts out an exact duplicate... but the duplicate shape is a positive, and you need a negative.
But what else did you cut out?
...an oversized negative, didn't you?

Flush trim bits come in different diameters - but all of them standard... like 1/2", 1/4", etc.

Your oversized cutout is exactly 1/2" oversized, if you used a 1/4" bit.

Look at that master bearing kit... you can remove the stock bearing on a flush trim bit, and replace it with an oversized one - and create another negative that is shrunk down - with a 1/4" oversized bearing, you'll recreate your exact size hole, a negative of your positive original pattern. :cool:

And, if you use one of these kits with a rabbet bit instead (or work off a positive, the inverse of this trick), you can do enlargments rather than reductions. ;)

Anyway - it's so accurate, that if you are going to upholster using vinyl - I suggest (in fact, require!) that you wrap your original positive pattern with the vinyl you are going to use - just wrap a stripe of it around, so the bearing rides it on it's original pass.

Now, when you reduce it, it'll be the size you need, minus your vinyl - and when you add the vinyl, you'll end up with such a tight pressure fit, you could mount it in your roof and not have it drop out. :cool:

by MobileAudio219 » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:56 pm

GlassWolf wrote:no no silly.
that's the P pillar
If I were a nun I would be offended.... but I'm not so :happy055:

by GlassWolf » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:06 am

no no silly.





that's the P pillar

by OnYrMrk » Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:03 am

MobileAudio219 wrote:And the D? :sad017:
I agree with the a-pillar..


I always thought the "D" pillar was the one between your legs

by GlassWolf » Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:53 am

in regards to pillars, the A pillar is the one at the edge of the windshield. Every pillar behind that one going toward the rear of the car ascends in letters from B to C to D etc.
That's how the pillar deal on cars works.
SUVs and wagons can have several pillars between roof and body, having numerous windows.

by geolemon » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:47 pm

Ranger SVO wrote:You Have My Undivided Attention. Can you supply me with a few details about how to get started. For example, what do I use to build up the area behind the trim panel before its routered out. Because this area is so visible, near perfection is and will be the goal. Any links, pictures or any more direction will be greatly appreciated.
And Smoker, duct tape???????? Your starting to sound like some of my customers. lol
Let's see...
Links and pictures...

...my mentor has built basically all the RF CES demo vehicles for the past 8 or 9 years, this year being the exception as he's been building up his own fabricator tool and supply businesses, as well as trainings (which is how we got a hold of him! :cool: )


We have one of these, for example:
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com/smar ... sories.htm
If you are just doing this once, you DON'T need it, but that would make it easier for you - skipping all the hard stuff, right off the bat. :cool:
I just happened to notice the ad mentioned right off the bat... exactly what you are looking to do - iPod flush mount. No joke, check the ad on the main page:
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com
:p

This router shield is beautiful for exactly what they are using it for - and similar for your iPod:
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com/smar ... fetyshield

Here's the key right here:
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com/smar ... m#standard
...when coupled with a kit like this:
http://www.mobilesolutions-usa.com/smar ... htm#master
That's the key.

I'm at work now, so I'll get into the actual technique later, but it's remarkably simple - as most fabrication techniques are once you know the tricks. :D
(you should see my fiberglass technique for interesting shapes that could never be made using "frame and stretch cloth" technique :fing02: OK, I can't take credit for THAT one either... :p )

by Ranger SVO » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:47 pm

geolemon wrote:I like the A-pillar if you can make it flush.

With that in mind, those techniques work much better, much more accurate, and a much more finished, custom looking panel (you know - the kind that are so custom you'd swear it came from the factory? :D ) for what you are looking to do. :cool:

Put down the fiberglass - the absolute best fabriction tool is a smooth top router table, flush trim bits and bearing kits. No joke or exaggeration - and perfect for this for sure!

You'll be able to build that thing so tight you can pressure-mount it even if you opt for your ceiling and live on a dirt road. :p
You Have My Undivided Attention. Can you supply me with a few details about how to get started. For example, what do I use to build up the area behind the trim panel before its routered out. Because this area is so visible, near perfection is and will be the goal. Any links, pictures or any more direction will be greatly appreciated.

And Smoker, duct tape???????? Your starting to sound like some of my customers. lol

by MobileAudio219 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:56 pm

William from NOLA wrote:haha yea, just make sure you have all of the music you will ever want to listen to on it first!
Its called a door. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!

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