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Ok... I am in agreement with you there... And that part of the bill will likely be removed since it is ridiculous. Other Aldermen viewed it that way according to the article... (Which BTW, has anyone seen the outcome of it?... Changes, approvals???)

After all, these are not drugs. And I am sure you know I wouldn't be against owning audio equipment...

I would be very surprised if they passed a law that would cause job/Business loss across the nation...

nothing at all to do with the cop in this case.
the law forbids even owning the equipment, so regardless of if you even have your stereo turned ON, you can have your car taken merely for owning the gear. That's my beef, and my argument was that you don't need to be pulled over for blasting the stereo to lose your car. You can hit a random field sobriety checkpoint and have the car taken for having a stereo system *installed.*

see the problem there?

KikiTheCat wrote:so you think it's ok that owning a stereo system gives someone the right to take your car away.
Glad you can afford to live like that.

Not what I said at all...
I understood your arguement to be based on the possibility of a law being abused by a corrupt cop... if I misunderstood your point... I apologize...

On the otherhand... if I did not misunderstand you... then the same principle applies to all laws that can be exploited by a cop... Not entirely sure I can live being that paranoid...

so you think it's ok that owning a stereo system gives someone the right to take your car away.

Glad you can afford to live like that.

KikiTheCat wrote:stay in FL then.
Here in MI, if you're driving after about 10pm expect to get pulled over for a field test. That's when the cops go out looking for people leaving bars to write OULI citations.
I really don't need to get pulled over for a random sobriety checkpoint and have my car taken away for owning a stereo system.

I hear ya man... but the bottom line is that the irresponsible behind the wheel need to assume the consequences. And if the only solution is to pick the lesser of two evils... then so be it.

We are so worried about crooked cops with power trips, yet I don't hear anyone complaining to get rid of cops because the chance exists of getting pulled over with no one around may lead to a power trip a-hole busting out a tail light to have his way with you...

stay in FL then.

Here in MI, if you're driving after about 10pm expect to get pulled over for a field test. That's when the cops go out looking for people leaving bars to write OULI citations.

I really don't need to get pulled over for a random sobriety checkpoint and have my car taken away for owning a stereo system.

Should we then sit back & put up with the few bad apples?
I don't see that as a solution either.

It's not a perfect world, I know... But the chances of me being picked by random for a "stereo check" are slim... In FL... I will likely get struck by lightning 1st.

Now if you get cought breaking the law somehow... assume the consequences.

I realize who is at fault, but it's still a few bad apples ruining things for honest people.
The problem with that is the person with a nice car, not abusing any law can still have his car taken away, and have no recourse in the matter.
That's what leads to things like violence against the police by otherwise abiding citizens.

They wonder why nobody votes to increase law enforcement funds? They can't utilize what they already have efficiently. Why give them more to waste?

I've had our house broken into when it was buing built, and tools stolen. We had the kid call, and admit to it on our answering machine. We gave the tape to the cops, and they conveniently lost it, then said they can't do anything because they guy was already wanted elsewhere, and, get this, they wouldn't arrest him because he was on private property in his house, and he was the neighbor of a cop.

I have no love for law enforcement in general with the way they act.

KikiTheCat wrote:My only issue with the law is that you can be cited merely for owning the speakers.. not for abusing any sort of noise ordinance.
That's like writing someone a speeding ticket merely for owning a car capable of breaking the local speed limits.

I agree completely - and we all should be pissed off at immature kids booming from stop sign to stop sign through a community.

It's not even so much the lawmakers fault (they are just trying to find a means to an... end, literally) as it is THEIR fault... without their ignorant behavior, the rest of us wouldn't suffer for it.

I'm hoping that because of exactly this argument here, this law doesn't have a chance.

...but even if this law is defeated, I gaurantee you that the lawmakers are simply going to be set back just one square, back to asking themselves "OK, then what CAN we do about this problem?"

Unless the problem goes away, problem-solvers aren't going to stop.

I disagree with taking someone's car. I don't see a problem with revoking the right to drive it however.