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by veggie-man » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:16 pm

WHOOA!!! That sure explained a lot! Thanks a lot. I went out and bought a sealed box already(ported going to be a tight fit in my trunk) but trust me next time I go shopping I will keep this in mind.

by geolemon » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:51 pm

I think that's virtually the ONLY option for a subsonic filter, if your amp doesn't have one built in. :(
...which is too bad, because the Fmod filters basically suck.
They claim 12dB/octave - it's really 6dB/octave. Buy three, stack them together... you really want a steep filter for a subsonic filter, to offer any kind of protection.

The reason you need a subsonic filter is a really interesting phenomena.

A subwoofer cone moves in and out very, very rapidly. 40hz is 40 "in and out"s per second!
A port is an air-resistive device... it slows the air from exiting and entering the box.
With the sub moving rapidly, and pressurizing and depressurizing the air inside the box so rapidly, an air mass ends up getting pushed and pulled in and out of the port - but moving so fast, the mass doesn't have time to get to the end of the port before it gets pulled back in again, if you picture a "cloud" of air getting sucked in and out of the port.

(the reason it does this is to "Recycle" the otherwise wasted sound pressure energy off the back of the cone - which if not for that slight resistance and delay, would just cancel out the sound energy outside the box, rather than helping increase the dB levels).

The lower the note you play, the fewer cycles per second (20hz is only 20 "ins and outs" per second, for example, compared to 40hz, or 80hz).

There's a point, depending on your port "tuning frequency", where the cone slows down enough that it can't support that moving mass of air anymore...
...and at that point, the port just acts like a gaping hole in the box... making the box not act like a box at all. At that point, there's no air pressure inside the box helping control cone excursion - and it's easy to bottom the sub out with just a fraction of your wattage!
Blown sub... overexcursion damage.

But the good news is, you might not need one. If you are tuned at 30hz or LOWER (EDIT: oops! I said "higher" originally!), you won't need one. I even had one tuned to 32hz on my old car, and I beat on that one all the time, no issues. So don't let it keep you up at night, breaking out in sweats...

It's not instant, below your tuning frequency... I usually set my subsonic filter about 1/2 octave below my tuning frequency.

...but if you are using those F-mods, the slope isn't exactly steep - I'd get one right near my tuning frequency, as close as I could. And I'd seriously stack like two of them in-line, at least. ;)

by GlassWolf » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:47 pm

for the record, most mono sub amps today come with the SSF built-in.
Also, you can get FMOD filters (in-line RCA style) for about $20 on http://www.partsexpress.com if you need them.

by veggie-man » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:16 pm

thanks alot for your help guys i really appreciate it! i have decided to go with a sealed box so i dont have to go through all of the hassle of finding a subsonic filter. plus i get better SQ! or so they say :happy055:

by joeyc » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:57 pm

everything kiki just said, i already knew all of that......no, really, i did

by GlassWolf » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:58 pm

a subsonic filter should be set at the tuned port frequency of the sub.
below that frequency, the sub won't play anyway, since it rolls off like a cliff at anything below the tunded frequency.
The amplifier also has to use tremendous power to produce anything below the tuned freq of the box, and at that point the output is very difficult to control.
When playing below the tuned freq of the box, the sub can lose it's damping, or suspension, which will cause the sub to over-extend, blowing the sub and destroying it.
The purpose of the SSF is to protect the subwoofer, and to prevent the amplifier from wasting power trying to produce notes it can't handle due to box design anyway.

You shouldn't hear any degradation in output or frequency response by using the filter properly.

by Ryan from Ohio » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:07 am

problem with that box: 1.78 cubes total.

That doesnt include for the loss of volume from your sub.

Your sub requires a 2.0 cubic foot box.

That box is to small.

by veggie-man » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:20 pm

ok i have searched for 3 hours now(no exaggeration) trying to find an external subsonic filter and have found nothing... am i just going to have to get an amp that has a filter already on it or does anyone know a place where i can buy an external subsonic filter? your help is very much appreciated!

by Justin from Detroit1 » Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:39 pm

Most HP xovers don't go below 50hz

by veggie-man » Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:30 pm

humm so my understanding is that it would be good to get one but not necesaary.... the only thing is i cant find any subsonic filters....
but doesnt a highpass crossover work the same way? could i just get a crossover and set it to highpass or am i missing something?

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