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by JeremyC » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:12 pm

Does anyone want to build me these. To bad they won't fit my accord. Anyways. If anyone has any ideas or pics of an 03 to 06 accord with kickpanels let me know. It looks like that will be my next project before I finish the sub box.
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by JeremyC » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:33 pm

Well I just figured it up and right now my box is 1.375 JL specs

according to WINISD a flat responce would be 2.29

and a flat delay would be 6.8

So a flat delay is out of the question. At the most I can due 3 to 3.5 cubes. Which puts the slope right between the two.

by JeremyC » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:07 pm

To bad thats my neighbors car. (you thought I would do that to the accord)

And its just dust, no paint. I did all the paint work in the other room.

Oh yeah the pic was after the fact. We had already cleaned up, and moved the painted stuff in to finish drying. The only reason I put the mask back on was for the pic.

Jonathon thanks for the info. Guess I will have to put the sub box on hold for a few weeks. Right now all I have is the eclipse's pink noise sweep to work with, and its not all that accurate and only picks up from 60 or so up. Guess I will have to get a mic, and download an RTA setup for my laptop. I know we covered that a few months ago, anyone remember the link?

by Ryan from Ohio » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:54 pm

Looks like you got your car all dirts and grit on the stuff you are painting behind you?

lol

not good!

by Jonathan » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:46 pm

Group delay is related to transient response, how well the sub can track the input signal. A low group delay indicates good transient response. Good part is, assuming it was audible, this would be "tighter" sounding bass. At least to the BS slinging golden ears, anyway. This is usually far below the limits of audibility, but this alignment does give lower bass and has a lower Fsc. Impedance peak can tend to be higher, though. Keep in mind any time you use equalization to flatten the frequency response of a subwoofer, you add phase shifts in that region, which eliminates the benefit of a good group delay.

Flat FR you already know the benefits of. This is anechoic, though, not a car environment with resulting cabin gain. Due to cabin gain, you will likely have peaks and dips in the frequency response due to this, and you go back to the equalizer reference.

You'll see that on most of JLs enclosure recommendations, the Qtc of the subs differ according to the sub used and it's characteristics. In my experience with their subs, these recommendations do a pretty good job of providing a relatively flat FR in the average vehicle, but of course nothing is perfect. The best thing you could do is get an RTA and look at the effects your car has on the system response, comparing that with what the sub would have in a predictable environment. From there, you could decide upon an enclosure size and type based upon the car you're using, in which the ideal enclosure could be smaller or larger depending on the characteristics of the environment. Not really something I or anyone on the forum could help you with, not specifically anyway.

by JeremyC » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:22 pm

Ok I could Google it like normal, but I will jusrt ask it will be faster. What is the diffrence in a flat frequency response, and a flat delay response? How does the flat delay responce affect SQ compared to a flat frequency responce?

by Jonathan » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:18 pm

The 12W7 doesn't really incline itself well for a AP or TL enclosure. If anything, infinite baffle would be better. TLs like a sub more inclined to ported enclosures, .3-.4 range if not lower.

Qts of .5 isn't damped enough to do well in either enclosure. The sub does have enough excursion to do well IB, and would give good SQ with an absence of the resonance of sealed and ported enclosures.

"Does fiberglas have a lower resonant frequency than MDF?"
The panels, or the system resonance? System resonance is going to depend on the subs suspension and box volume, in which it really isn't going to matter which one you use. The resonance of the material itself is going to depend on rigidity, in which fiberglass is going to resonate at a higher frequency than MDF because it is typically stronger. Depends on how thick the glass is, too. Same reason plywood resonates at a higher freq. than MDF.

"What about going with a smaler or larger box, instead of the 1.375 JL recomends?"

If anything go larger, aim for a .707 alignment for flat frequency response, a flat delay response is produced with an alignment of .577. Pick your poison, either is going to be a really large box, though.

by JeremyC » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:03 pm

How do you know if you got alot done in a day? You look like me. (the pants and jacket are black and blue)
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by audiobass10 » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:19 pm

Pete at http://www.toxicforum.com has some CRAZY designs that you could tinker with.

by Ryan from Ohio » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:07 pm

1/4 wave TL box.

Figure the 1/4 wave @ mic point...

Ohhhhh nice....

BTW I think thats what the beretta is getting. Bit I literally have the whole back seat/trunk to work with ;)

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