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[quote="slick94prix"]Speaking of a 40mpg truck....
One of my buddie's friends bought an 06-07 ish F150 off the Ford lot a while back. I guess Ford calls around asking how you like your new vehicle, any complaints, etc...
Anyway, the guy is like "I love it. I'm getting 40 mpg in the city!". The Ford questionaire guys is like "What?" and transfers him over to another person. The person asks for the VIN, and tells the guy to have a nice day.
Next day, the truck is gone. Guy calls Ford, "Nope, we don't know what happened to it, sorry about your loss.". Had to take a total loss on the truck.
BTW, he was filling, what appeared to be nothing out of the ordinary under the hood, with 87-89 octane, depending on the station.
Coincidence that Ford calls a day earlier, and then asks for the VIN after finding out his full size truck is doing 40 mpg in he city, and then dissapears that night while the guy is asleep? I think not.[/quote]
Spooky. I don't think I've ever had a car company call me asking how my vehicle was, aside from the dealer of course.

I hope insurance covered the truck.

dont shoot this discovery/experiment down so soon. i understand that corporate america has a lot of power politically and financially. however, if scientists can find a way to use the energy in the experiment imagine the potential. its a shame that money is so often power in this country.

Speaking of a 40mpg truck....
One of my buddie's friends bought an 06-07 ish F150 off the Ford lot a while back. I guess Ford calls around asking how you like your new vehicle, any complaints, etc...
Anyway, the guy is like "I love it. I'm getting 40 mpg in the city!". The Ford questionaire guys is like "What?" and transfers him over to another person. The person asks for the VIN, and tells the guy to have a nice day.
Next day, the truck is gone. Guy calls Ford, "Nope, we don't know what happened to it, sorry about your loss.". Had to take a total loss on the truck.
BTW, he was filling, what appeared to be nothing out of the ordinary under the hood, with 87-89 octane, depending on the station.
Coincidence that Ford calls a day earlier, and then asks for the VIN after finding out his full size truck is doing 40 mpg in he city, and then dissapears that night while the guy is asleep? I think not.

Look at the new toyota 1 ton diesel they are talking about they are saying 40+ mpg from a 1 ton truck. It would just cost too much for everyone else to retool to use a new technology to achieve this,but toyota is building a new plant and this is part of the plan so it can be done it will just cost too much.

Something is going to have to change. Oil is running out and a cost effective and efficent source of energy is going to be in great supply the oil companies know this im sure. and all of the fuels you listed can use the current structure thats in place and dont require major modifications.

the challenge is to find something that offers teh same energy co efficents of gasoline and can use the CURRENT infrastructure. ethanol is the fuel of the future in my opinion as it uses renewable resource and can use the current structure.

But Diesel/ Biodiesel is different from Gasoline/ Ethanol... and pumping stations worldwide have been able to retrofit for all or a combination of each of the 4 (or 2 types gas/ diesel), not to mention the abilty of differing octanes of unleaded fuel... And the Automotive manufacturers are able to build vehicles with different engine options for each...
So that's what I'm getting at... How hard would it really be to add another option?... Answer: Not as hard as one might expect, given the options that already exist... So the real question being: Why not?... Answer is in the form of a question for producers/ distributors/ automakers: Is there money to be made by doing it or do we stand to lose more than we gain currently?

GM had vehicles in 1980 that could do 100 mpg in a normal, full sized vehicle. Same with the other's in the Big 3.

I mean think about it, back in 1980, a 3/4 ton Chevy pickup is getting pretty damn close to the same gas mileage as today's 3/4 ton Chevy pickup (slightly improved). Doesn't make ANY sense to me, especially when we have the technology to improve the efficiency of these engines.

Yes, the otto cycle is very inefficient, and the diesel cycle is about 20-30% more efficient (thermodynamically speaking). Yet, most cars are still less than 30 mpg on the highway?? There has to be a reason for this, other than the fact of spending money on other fuels.

Speaking of which, anyone on here seen the movie " Who Killed the Electric Car"?

were not talking about bio diesel or diesel were talking about something completely diffrent.

[quote="Bwcad1"]diesel = oil[/quote]
True... But you are not accounting for what kind of oil as we have the introduction of biodiesel that has become more popular throughout the rest of the world as an alternative and made mostly of vegetable oils.

diesel = oil